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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 718047 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200611 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : 3b2.airport |
| State Reference | GA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 3200 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : a90.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | cruise : enroute altitude change |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 1600 flight time type : 1300 |
| ASRS Report | 718047 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : exited penetrated airspace |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
I departed ghg to return to my home. At 2700 ft I tried repeatedly to get flight following on 124.1; the controller did not answer for several mins. We were told to switch frequency and contact was finally made. I realize these controllers are busy; but this guy was not having a good day. With his tone of voice; he really was in need of a break. At my altitude 2700 ft; I was below the class B and heading 290 degrees. I was cleared through at 3500 ft according to my understanding. I never reached that altitude and was asked to descend which I did immediately. I was informed that I penetrated the airspace and asked if I understood the airspace. I answered 'yes' and after a short discussion I asked him to replay the tape. There was no incident or not even a close event. I just came under that airspace not more than an hour before without clearance at 2700 ft. I also fly with a garmin GPS that shows the class B outlines. If I misunderstood the controller that is one thing; but I did not need clearance and was content to stay under the airspace until I cleared the west side. This may not be reported by boston but I would rather have heard 'stay clear of B;' not 'cleared through the class B at 2700 ft.' that way there is no misleading statements.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C172 PLT QUESTIONS ALLEGED VIOLATION OF BOSTON CLASS B WHILE DEPARTING GHG.
Narrative: I DEPARTED GHG TO RETURN TO MY HOME. AT 2700 FT I TRIED REPEATEDLY TO GET FLT FOLLOWING ON 124.1; THE CTLR DID NOT ANSWER FOR SEVERAL MINS. WE WERE TOLD TO SWITCH FREQ AND CONTACT WAS FINALLY MADE. I REALIZE THESE CTLRS ARE BUSY; BUT THIS GUY WAS NOT HAVING A GOOD DAY. WITH HIS TONE OF VOICE; HE REALLY WAS IN NEED OF A BREAK. AT MY ALT 2700 FT; I WAS BELOW THE CLASS B AND HDG 290 DEGS. I WAS CLRED THROUGH AT 3500 FT ACCORDING TO MY UNDERSTANDING. I NEVER REACHED THAT ALT AND WAS ASKED TO DSND WHICH I DID IMMEDIATELY. I WAS INFORMED THAT I PENETRATED THE AIRSPACE AND ASKED IF I UNDERSTOOD THE AIRSPACE. I ANSWERED 'YES' AND AFTER A SHORT DISCUSSION I ASKED HIM TO REPLAY THE TAPE. THERE WAS NO INCIDENT OR NOT EVEN A CLOSE EVENT. I JUST CAME UNDER THAT AIRSPACE NOT MORE THAN AN HR BEFORE WITHOUT CLRNC AT 2700 FT. I ALSO FLY WITH A GARMIN GPS THAT SHOWS THE CLASS B OUTLINES. IF I MISUNDERSTOOD THE CTLR THAT IS ONE THING; BUT I DID NOT NEED CLRNC AND WAS CONTENT TO STAY UNDER THE AIRSPACE UNTIL I CLRED THE W SIDE. THIS MAY NOT BE RPTED BY BOSTON BUT I WOULD RATHER HAVE HEARD 'STAY CLR OF B;' NOT 'CLRED THROUGH THE CLASS B AT 2700 FT.' THAT WAY THERE IS NO MISLEADING STATEMENTS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.