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|Local Time Of Day||1201 To 1800|
|Locale Reference||atc facility : mmzt.artcc|
|Altitude||msl single value : 8000|
|Operator||general aviation : corporate|
|Make Model Name||Sabreliner 65|
|Operating Under FAR Part||Part 91|
|Flight Phase||climbout : intermediate altitude|
climbout : initial
|Route In Use||departure sid : menvi|
|Affiliation||company : corporate|
|Function||flight crew : first officer|
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 40|
flight time total : 16200
flight time type : 500
|Affiliation||company : corporate|
|Function||flight crew : captain|
oversight : pic
|Anomaly||non adherence : clearance|
non adherence : published procedure
other spatial deviation
|Independent Detector||other controllera|
other flight crewa
|Resolutory Action||flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course|
|Problem Areas||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
Departing mmsd san jose del cabo airport we were flying the menvi 1 departure from runway 16. As we were arcing ccw on the 11 mi arc to intercept UJ32 to cul the passenger/aircraft owner directed the PIC to fly near an area on the coast that he was developing property. I pointed out that we were on a departure clearance to an airway and that he would be able to get a picture off the left side when we turned. He again directed the captain/PIC to the area for pictures. We continued past the sjd 041 degree radial toward the area. When the passenger was in back for a moment I told the PIC that we were well north of the turn point and minva and that we had to turn back on course. I advocated getting back on course and at the same time not being disruptive to the cockpit environment. I could hear no conflicts but knew there were departures behind us taking the same route. When the passenger was finally done with the pictures we turned back to UJ32 on an intercept northeast of menvi. We went to about the sjd 020 degree radial before turning back. ATC changed the frequency at this point and the next controller asked what we were doing. I indicated that we were correcting back to course. They then gave us direct cul. As far as I could tell there were no conflicts with other departures. When the passenger had gone back to the cabin I indicated to the PIC this was 'totally unsatisfactory' and we could be violated for the navigation error. He told me we would talk about it later. The next day I called him to talk about it and he indicated that no one talks to him that way. He did not see any problem with what happened and that he was aware of the traffic and there were no conflicts. I told him we were on a published SID and there were other departures behind us and it was not up to us to deviate for any reason and that he should have told the passenger why we had to stay on course. He disagreed with my assessment and said he had the whole thing under control and wanted to give the passenger a chance to take pictures. I asked if he had an arrangement with the passenger to do this before takeoff and he indicated that he did not. I said to him that he should have told the passenger that we could do it next time with coordination from ATC. He continued to indicate that he did not have a problem with what had happened. I ask him to consider telling me what he had in mind in the future before he did things like this. He thought that was a good idea. I wonder if this is a case of 2 different backgrounds clashing. I have a military cpr and airline background and he has been cpr and light aircraft. I don't know if it is resentment or just not being able to admit a mistake to another pilot. He knows the rules and I wonder if flying in mexico makes him think there are no rules for us pilots. He mentioned that foreign air carrier X pilots get away with all kinds of stuff. When I pointed out that they are foreign air carrier X pilots in mexico and they probably do get away with it. But us pilots by the same measure may not get away with anything since we are not mexican.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A SABRELINER DEPARTING MMSD DEVIATED FROM THE PUBLISHED SID TRACK BECAUSE THE ACFT OWNER WANTED TO TAKE SOME PICTURES.
Narrative: DEPARTING MMSD SAN JOSE DEL CABO ARPT WE WERE FLYING THE MENVI 1 DEP FROM RWY 16. AS WE WERE ARCING CCW ON THE 11 MI ARC TO INTERCEPT UJ32 TO CUL THE PAX/ACFT OWNER DIRECTED THE PIC TO FLY NEAR AN AREA ON THE COAST THAT HE WAS DEVELOPING PROPERTY. I POINTED OUT THAT WE WERE ON A DEP CLRNC TO AN AIRWAY AND THAT HE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET A PICTURE OFF THE L SIDE WHEN WE TURNED. HE AGAIN DIRECTED THE CAPT/PIC TO THE AREA FOR PICTURES. WE CONTINUED PAST THE SJD 041 DEG RADIAL TOWARD THE AREA. WHEN THE PAX WAS IN BACK FOR A MOMENT I TOLD THE PIC THAT WE WERE WELL N OF THE TURN POINT AND MINVA AND THAT WE HAD TO TURN BACK ON COURSE. I ADVOCATED GETTING BACK ON COURSE AND AT THE SAME TIME NOT BEING DISRUPTIVE TO THE COCKPIT ENVIRONMENT. I COULD HEAR NO CONFLICTS BUT KNEW THERE WERE DEPS BEHIND US TAKING THE SAME RTE. WHEN THE PAX WAS FINALLY DONE WITH THE PICTURES WE TURNED BACK TO UJ32 ON AN INTERCEPT NE OF MENVI. WE WENT TO ABOUT THE SJD 020 DEG RADIAL BEFORE TURNING BACK. ATC CHANGED THE FREQ AT THIS POINT AND THE NEXT CTLR ASKED WHAT WE WERE DOING. I INDICATED THAT WE WERE CORRECTING BACK TO COURSE. THEY THEN GAVE US DIRECT CUL. AS FAR AS I COULD TELL THERE WERE NO CONFLICTS WITH OTHER DEPS. WHEN THE PAX HAD GONE BACK TO THE CABIN I INDICATED TO THE PIC THIS WAS 'TOTALLY UNSATISFACTORY' AND WE COULD BE VIOLATED FOR THE NAV ERROR. HE TOLD ME WE WOULD TALK ABOUT IT LATER. THE NEXT DAY I CALLED HIM TO TALK ABOUT IT AND HE INDICATED THAT NO ONE TALKS TO HIM THAT WAY. HE DID NOT SEE ANY PROB WITH WHAT HAPPENED AND THAT HE WAS AWARE OF THE TFC AND THERE WERE NO CONFLICTS. I TOLD HIM WE WERE ON A PUBLISHED SID AND THERE WERE OTHER DEPS BEHIND US AND IT WAS NOT UP TO US TO DEVIATE FOR ANY REASON AND THAT HE SHOULD HAVE TOLD THE PAX WHY WE HAD TO STAY ON COURSE. HE DISAGREED WITH MY ASSESSMENT AND SAID HE HAD THE WHOLE THING UNDER CTL AND WANTED TO GIVE THE PAX A CHANCE TO TAKE PICTURES. I ASKED IF HE HAD AN ARRANGEMENT WITH THE PAX TO DO THIS BEFORE TKOF AND HE INDICATED THAT HE DID NOT. I SAID TO HIM THAT HE SHOULD HAVE TOLD THE PAX THAT WE COULD DO IT NEXT TIME WITH COORD FROM ATC. HE CONTINUED TO INDICATE THAT HE DID NOT HAVE A PROB WITH WHAT HAD HAPPENED. I ASK HIM TO CONSIDER TELLING ME WHAT HE HAD IN MIND IN THE FUTURE BEFORE HE DID THINGS LIKE THIS. HE THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA. I WONDER IF THIS IS A CASE OF 2 DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS CLASHING. I HAVE A MIL CPR AND AIRLINE BACKGROUND AND HE HAS BEEN CPR AND LIGHT ACFT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS RESENTMENT OR JUST NOT BEING ABLE TO ADMIT A MISTAKE TO ANOTHER PLT. HE KNOWS THE RULES AND I WONDER IF FLYING IN MEXICO MAKES HIM THINK THERE ARE NO RULES FOR US PLTS. HE MENTIONED THAT FOREIGN ACR X PLTS GET AWAY WITH ALL KINDS OF STUFF. WHEN I POINTED OUT THAT THEY ARE FOREIGN ACR X PLTS IN MEXICO AND THEY PROBABLY DO GET AWAY WITH IT. BUT US PLTS BY THE SAME MEASURE MAY NOT GET AWAY WITH ANYTHING SINCE WE ARE NOT MEXICAN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.