<< >> NASA ASRS Report 710259, September 2006

B777 crew flying HOLTZ7 off of runway 25R at lax flies runway heading to shoreline to comply with airport sign; thus not complying with the SID.

Attributes
ACN	710259
Time
Date	200609
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lax.airport
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl single value : 1500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : sct.tracon tower : zzz.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B777-200
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	climbout : initial
Route In Use	departure sid : holtz
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 2500
ASRS Report	710259
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Chart Or Publication Airspace Structure Airport Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

I had not been to lax since the RNAV departures had been implemented. I noticed in operations multiple signs stating not to turn prior to shoreline departing west. FAA threatening fines and violations for turning early. On departure we were assigned the HOLTZ7 which clearly states to turn at 620 ft. We reached 620 ft prior to the end of the runway; let alone shoreline. I maintained runway heading till shoreline as sign next to runway 25 mandates; but by doing that was unable to strictly follow lateral track as mandated by 10-3D-0 advisory notice. As written; the HOLTZ7 will always turn prior to the shoreline. Either the SID needs to be changed or early turns permitted.callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated that the offset from the SID track was minimal when flying runway heading. Next time he will engage LNAV.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: B777 CREW FLYING HOLTZ7 OFF OF RWY 25R AT LAX FLIES RWY HDG TO SHORELINE TO COMPLY WITH ARPT SIGN; THUS NOT COMPLYING WITH THE SID.

Narrative: I HAD NOT BEEN TO LAX SINCE THE RNAV DEPS HAD BEEN IMPLEMENTED. I NOTICED IN OPERATIONS MULTIPLE SIGNS STATING NOT TO TURN PRIOR TO SHORELINE DEPARTING WEST. FAA THREATENING FINES AND VIOLATIONS FOR TURNING EARLY. ON DEP WE WERE ASSIGNED THE HOLTZ7 WHICH CLEARLY STATES TO TURN AT 620 FT. WE REACHED 620 FT PRIOR TO THE END OF THE RWY; LET ALONE SHORELINE. I MAINTAINED RWY HDG TILL SHORELINE AS SIGN NEXT TO RWY 25 MANDATES; BUT BY DOING THAT WAS UNABLE TO STRICTLY FOLLOW LATERAL TRACK AS MANDATED BY 10-3D-0 ADVISORY NOTICE. AS WRITTEN; THE HOLTZ7 WILL ALWAYS TURN PRIOR TO THE SHORELINE. EITHER THE SID NEEDS TO BE CHANGED OR EARLY TURNS PERMITTED.CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THAT THE OFFSET FROM THE SID TRACK WAS MINIMAL WHEN FLYING RWY HDG. NEXT TIME HE WILL ENGAGE LNAV.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.