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B777-200 flight crew has fatigue issues with long duty day and long flight.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 710242 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200609 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : zzzz.airport |
| State Reference | FO |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| ASRS Report | 710242 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Company Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Company |
Narrative:
Flight flown to ZZZZ for extremely long duty day; after being ordered to fly under protest. Flight landed in outer limits of landing zone; fortunately on long runway. Aircraft was stopped within confines of runway. By the end of the duty period the crew was extremely tired and error prone. The order to fly; quoted from the pilot trip display (reflecting 15 hour duty day with unaugmented crew flying in excess of 8 hours) noted does not accurately reflect my recollection of the conversation. When I started discussing the duty time versus rest with captain XXX; I was prevented from explaining my safety concerns and told we needed to address the issue with respect to contract language. 'After consult with crew desk and the pilot contract; I find your trip assign legal. As per our 'converse;' safety is not an issue in the assignment. Therefore; I direct you to fly the assignment. This directive does not jeopardize your grievance rights. Per duty manager.' prior to departing; both first officer and myself had safety concerns due to the long duty day; however; even though I asked duty manager to provide a copy of the order prior to departure; he stated he was unable to do so (I suggested facsimile or if placed in the pilot trip display; so that I could see it in operations prior to departure).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B777-200 FLT CREW HAS FATIGUE ISSUES WITH LONG DUTY DAY AND LONG FLT.
Narrative: FLT FLOWN TO ZZZZ FOR EXTREMELY LONG DUTY DAY; AFTER BEING ORDERED TO FLY UNDER PROTEST. FLT LANDED IN OUTER LIMITS OF LNDG ZONE; FORTUNATELY ON LONG RWY. ACFT WAS STOPPED WITHIN CONFINES OF RWY. BY THE END OF THE DUTY PERIOD THE CREW WAS EXTREMELY TIRED AND ERROR PRONE. THE ORDER TO FLY; QUOTED FROM THE PLT TRIP DISPLAY (REFLECTING 15 HR DUTY DAY WITH UNAUGMENTED CREW FLYING IN EXCESS OF 8 HRS) NOTED DOES NOT ACCURATELY REFLECT MY RECOLLECTION OF THE CONVERSATION. WHEN I STARTED DISCUSSING THE DUTY TIME VERSUS REST WITH CAPT XXX; I WAS PREVENTED FROM EXPLAINING MY SAFETY CONCERNS AND TOLD WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE WITH RESPECT TO CONTRACT LANGUAGE. 'AFTER CONSULT WITH CREW DESK AND THE PLT CONTRACT; I FIND YOUR TRIP ASSIGN LEGAL. AS PER OUR 'CONVERSE;' SAFETY IS NOT AN ISSUE IN THE ASSIGNMENT. THEREFORE; I DIRECT YOU TO FLY THE ASSIGNMENT. THIS DIRECTIVE DOES NOT JEOPARDIZE YOUR GRIEVANCE RIGHTS. PER DUTY MGR.' PRIOR TO DEPARTING; BOTH FO AND MYSELF HAD SAFETY CONCERNS DUE TO THE LONG DUTY DAY; HOWEVER; EVEN THOUGH I ASKED DUTY MGR TO PROVIDE A COPY OF THE ORDER PRIOR TO DEP; HE STATED HE WAS UNABLE TO DO SO (I SUGGESTED FAX OR IF PLACED IN THE PLT TRIP DISPLAY; SO THAT I COULD SEE IT IN OPS PRIOR TO DEP).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.