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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 708525 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200608 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | intersection : dixxn |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 11000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : charter |
| Make Model Name | Citation X |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | arrival star : seavu one |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : charter |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 187 flight time total : 6100 flight time type : 210 |
| ASRS Report | 708525 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : charter |
| Function | flight crew : captain |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were told to expect the civet arrival to lax and we anticipated landing on runway 24R. Shortly before beginning the arrival; we were given the seavu arrival and we still anticipated landing on runway 24R. While descending on the seavu arrival; we were told to expect runway 25R. When I loaded runway 25R into the FMS; it dropped the arrival which I reloaded. While I was setting up for the approach; I noticed we were descending through 12000 ft prior to dixnn which had a crossing restr of 12000 ft. We continued to descend to 11000 ft and shortly after that were given a heading and altitude of 7000 ft from ATC with no mention of our present altitude. I am not sure if the seavu arrival was compatible with the approach to runway 25R or what altitude ATC expected us to be at when they gave us a heading and altitude. The frequency was highly congested and a previous call to us could have been missed. We also had a very short time to review the arrival and approach.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CITATION CE750 FLT CREW HAS AN ALTDEV DURING THE SEAVU 1 ARR TO LAX.
Narrative: WE WERE TOLD TO EXPECT THE CIVET ARR TO LAX AND WE ANTICIPATED LNDG ON RWY 24R. SHORTLY BEFORE BEGINNING THE ARR; WE WERE GIVEN THE SEAVU ARR AND WE STILL ANTICIPATED LNDG ON RWY 24R. WHILE DSNDING ON THE SEAVU ARR; WE WERE TOLD TO EXPECT RWY 25R. WHEN I LOADED RWY 25R INTO THE FMS; IT DROPPED THE ARR WHICH I RELOADED. WHILE I WAS SETTING UP FOR THE APCH; I NOTICED WE WERE DSNDING THROUGH 12000 FT PRIOR TO DIXNN WHICH HAD A XING RESTR OF 12000 FT. WE CONTINUED TO DSND TO 11000 FT AND SHORTLY AFTER THAT WERE GIVEN A HDG AND ALT OF 7000 FT FROM ATC WITH NO MENTION OF OUR PRESENT ALT. I AM NOT SURE IF THE SEAVU ARR WAS COMPATIBLE WITH THE APCH TO RWY 25R OR WHAT ALT ATC EXPECTED US TO BE AT WHEN THEY GAVE US A HDG AND ALT. THE FREQ WAS HIGHLY CONGESTED AND A PREVIOUS CALL TO US COULD HAVE BEEN MISSED. WE ALSO HAD A VERY SHORT TIME TO REVIEW THE ARR AND APCH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.