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B757 crew requests minimum delay on arrival from N90 TRACON due to fuel state. N90 interps this as declaring minimum fuel.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 704254 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200607 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | intersection : lendy |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl single value : 19000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny.artcc tracon : n90.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 8000 |
| ASRS Report | 704254 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
| Experience | flight time total : 10500 |
| ASRS Report | 704554 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Weather ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure Company |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
Flight was to jfk. Destination WX was good; no alternate required. Because of a rerte and multiple vectors for spacing en route; we did not have a lot of extra fuel as we neared our destination. I asked ZNY to relay to new york approach that we couldn't take much extra vectoring on arrival or it might put us low on fuel. My intention was to pass on a precautionary 'heads up' to approach control. I never declared minimum fuel or emergency fuel! Apparently; someone in ZNY or new york approach thought I had. The descent; approach; and landing were expeditious and otherwise uneventful; but the fire trucks were there waiting for us. Fuel on landing was 5000 pounds. I filed a report with my employer. Supervisors at ATC called my dispatcher and chief pilot to look into situation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757 CREW REQUESTS MINIMUM DELAY ON ARR FROM N90 TRACON DUE TO FUEL STATE. N90 INTERPS THIS AS DECLARING MINIMUM FUEL.
Narrative: FLT WAS TO JFK. DEST WX WAS GOOD; NO ALTERNATE REQUIRED. BECAUSE OF A RERTE AND MULTIPLE VECTORS FOR SPACING ENRTE; WE DID NOT HAVE A LOT OF EXTRA FUEL AS WE NEARED OUR DEST. I ASKED ZNY TO RELAY TO NEW YORK APCH THAT WE COULDN'T TAKE MUCH EXTRA VECTORING ON ARR OR IT MIGHT PUT US LOW ON FUEL. MY INTENTION WAS TO PASS ON A PRECAUTIONARY 'HEADS UP' TO APCH CTL. I NEVER DECLARED MINIMUM FUEL OR EMER FUEL! APPARENTLY; SOMEONE IN ZNY OR NEW YORK APCH THOUGHT I HAD. THE DSCNT; APCH; AND LNDG WERE EXPEDITIOUS AND OTHERWISE UNEVENTFUL; BUT THE FIRE TRUCKS WERE THERE WAITING FOR US. FUEL ON LNDG WAS 5000 LBS. I FILED A RPT WITH MY EMPLOYER. SUPVRS AT ATC CALLED MY DISPATCHER AND CHIEF PLT TO LOOK INTO SITUATION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.