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An EMB145 first officer questions the captain's decision to land overweight after wing anti-ice failed and they descended out of icing.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 703021 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200607 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : zid.artcc |
| State Reference | IN |
| Altitude | msl single value : 22000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Weather Elements | Ice |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zid.artcc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial |
| ASRS Report | 703021 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe inflight encounter : weather |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : landed as precaution flight crew : diverted to another airport |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Aircraft Weather Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
The condition of our aircraft was #2 pack MEL. We were in cruise flight when we entered icing conditions. The wing anti-ice would not come on. Red warning said no ice protection in icing conditions. We ran the checklists for the warning; contacted ATC; left icing conditions by descending to 12000 ft. We were over indianapolis; in. The captain wanted to land and he briefed an overweight landing. I told him if he really wanted to land overweight. The captain said yes. I asked if he wanted to hold and he said no. We landed overweight 10 mins later. The captain needed to think more about what he needed to do instead of a hasty decision.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN EMB145 FO QUESTIONS THE CAPT'S DECISION TO LAND OVERWT AFTER WING ANTI-ICE FAILED AND THEY DSNDED OUT OF ICING.
Narrative: THE CONDITION OF OUR ACFT WAS #2 PACK MEL. WE WERE IN CRUISE FLT WHEN WE ENTERED ICING CONDITIONS. THE WING ANTI-ICE WOULD NOT COME ON. RED WARNING SAID NO ICE PROTECTION IN ICING CONDITIONS. WE RAN THE CHKLISTS FOR THE WARNING; CONTACTED ATC; LEFT ICING CONDITIONS BY DSNDING TO 12000 FT. WE WERE OVER INDIANAPOLIS; IN. THE CAPT WANTED TO LAND AND HE BRIEFED AN OVERWT LNDG. I TOLD HIM IF HE REALLY WANTED TO LAND OVERWT. THE CAPT SAID YES. I ASKED IF HE WANTED TO HOLD AND HE SAID NO. WE LANDED OVERWT 10 MINS LATER. THE CAPT NEEDED TO THINK MORE ABOUT WHAT HE NEEDED TO DO INSTEAD OF A HASTY DECISION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.