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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 699959 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200606 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : cvg.airport |
| State Reference | OH |
| Altitude | msl single value : 5000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Mixed |
| Weather Elements | Rain |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zid.artcc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Regional Jet 200 ER&LR |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | arrival star : mosey 5 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 7433 flight time type : 5054 |
| ASRS Report | 699959 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Arriving cvg via the mosey 5 arrival; approach began to issue vectors for the ILS runway 36L. While level at 5000 ft and 250 KTS; ATC cleared us to descend to 3000 ft. I suspected that the class B floor in our area was 5000 ft so I asked ATC what the class B floor in our area was. ATC told me to stand by and then said the floor was 5000 ft. I asked ATC if they wanted us to slow to 200 KTS and then descend to 3000 ft. ATC approved. This situation has occurred before. My question is; how much responsibility does the PIC assume concerning the determination of the aircraft's position in relation to the various class B floors/boundaries when operating on an IFR flight plan and complying with radar vectors?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CRJ-200 PLT ON THE MOSEY 5 ARR TO CVG WAS ASSIGNED AN ALT BELOW THE FLOOR OF CLASS B AIRSPACE WITHOUT A PROPER SPD ASSIGNMENT.
Narrative: ARRIVING CVG VIA THE MOSEY 5 ARR; APCH BEGAN TO ISSUE VECTORS FOR THE ILS RWY 36L. WHILE LEVEL AT 5000 FT AND 250 KTS; ATC CLRED US TO DSND TO 3000 FT. I SUSPECTED THAT THE CLASS B FLOOR IN OUR AREA WAS 5000 FT SO I ASKED ATC WHAT THE CLASS B FLOOR IN OUR AREA WAS. ATC TOLD ME TO STAND BY AND THEN SAID THE FLOOR WAS 5000 FT. I ASKED ATC IF THEY WANTED US TO SLOW TO 200 KTS AND THEN DSND TO 3000 FT. ATC APPROVED. THIS SITUATION HAS OCCURRED BEFORE. MY QUESTION IS; HOW MUCH RESPONSIBILITY DOES THE PIC ASSUME CONCERNING THE DETERMINATION OF THE ACFT'S POS IN RELATION TO THE VARIOUS CLASS B FLOORS/BOUNDARIES WHEN OPERATING ON AN IFR FLT PLAN AND COMPLYING WITH RADAR VECTORS?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.