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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 699322 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200606 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | intersection : clarr |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 12000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : l30.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | arrival star : clarr |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 262 flight time total : 18432 flight time type : 7596 |
| ASRS Report | 699322 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Getting up at XA00; experiencing maintenance problems with aircraft including an inoperative FMS before our first departure; delays arriving san on first leg due to fog had both pilots feeling ready to end the day -- arriving las with a crossing restr over clarr intersection from center put us looking high; so we notified ATC and they asked to just expedite descent -- arriving high over where we should have been. We also missed an initial dogleg turn to the left. Realizing the missed turn I initiated a turn in that direction with ATC then asking us about the arrival -- navigating green needles; numerous VOR frequency changes and feeling tired; just made for a rough morning. Having an FMS would have made a difference. We really depend on the automation; and planning the FMS provides. Flying green needles just makes it feel like needle; ball; and airspeed. Very basic.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CL65 FLT CREW WITH INOP FMS MISSES XING RESTR ON APCH TO LAS.
Narrative: GETTING UP AT XA00; EXPERIENCING MAINT PROBS WITH ACFT INCLUDING AN INOP FMS BEFORE OUR FIRST DEP; DELAYS ARRIVING SAN ON FIRST LEG DUE TO FOG HAD BOTH PLTS FEELING READY TO END THE DAY -- ARRIVING LAS WITH A XING RESTR OVER CLARR INTXN FROM CTR PUT US LOOKING HIGH; SO WE NOTIFIED ATC AND THEY ASKED TO JUST EXPEDITE DSCNT -- ARRIVING HIGH OVER WHERE WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN. WE ALSO MISSED AN INITIAL DOGLEG TURN TO THE L. REALIZING THE MISSED TURN I INITIATED A TURN IN THAT DIRECTION WITH ATC THEN ASKING US ABOUT THE ARR -- NAVING GREEN NEEDLES; NUMEROUS VOR FREQ CHANGES AND FEELING TIRED; JUST MADE FOR A ROUGH MORNING. HAVING AN FMS WOULD HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE. WE REALLY DEPEND ON THE AUTOMATION; AND PLANNING THE FMS PROVIDES. FLYING GREEN NEEDLES JUST MAKES IT FEEL LIKE NEEDLE; BALL; AND AIRSPD. VERY BASIC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.