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|Local Time Of Day||1201 To 1800|
|Locale Reference||airport : zzz.airport|
|Altitude||agl single value : 500|
|Controlling Facilities||tower : zzz.tower|
|Operator||common carrier : air taxi|
|Make Model Name||Helicopter|
|Operating Under FAR Part||Part 135|
|Flight Phase||cruise : level|
|Affiliation||company : air taxi|
|Function||flight crew : single pilot|
|Qualification||pilot : multi engine|
pilot : atp
pilot : cfi
pilot : commercial
pilot : instrument
technician : airframe
technician : powerplant
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 70|
flight time total : 16700
flight time type : 950
|Anomaly||non adherence : published procedure|
|Independent Detector||other flight crewa|
|Resolutory Action||none taken : detected after the fact|
|Problem Areas||ATC Human Performance|
Flight Crew Human Performance
Flew 75 NM from ZZZ2 hospital to ZZZ1 hospital. Had a duat brief before flight. Because of the early fire season; I also checked tfr's about 15 mins before takeoff. No tfr's were listed for the route. After landing at ZZZ1; heard another aircraft ask ZZZ tower; 'is the tfr in effect yet?' tfr? What tfr? 40 mins later I called FSS to check NOTAMS and tfr before takeoff. 1-800-WX-brief connected to FSS; whose specialist said no tfr was listed for my route home. Asked about the overheard conversation; had the tfr been canceled? Specialist replied none had been listed; was it the general blanket tfr for sporting events? Was the local team playing? How would I know? I'm not from ZZZ; either! If a tfr is in effect; it is the FSS's responsibility to brief it. Specialist said maybe it was some sporting event or something. Or something? Maybe? What? Where? When? The class B chart has no sports venues except raceway. How can I avoid a tfr that FSS doesn't know about being held when we don't know; where we don't know; that isn't charted? Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated that he had received a thorough brief regarding his route of flight and had checked the NOTAMS. He was concerned that a tfr was active and he was not briefed or aware of it. He is an EMS pilot and flies at low altitude and VFR over areas that may have a tfr active and is concerned that the FSS briefer may not be aware of the tfr. He was concerned that he may get violated due to a lack of proper briefing.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: EMS HELI PLT; WHILE MONITORING TWR FREQ AT HIS DEST; HEARS ANOTHER PLT INQUIRE 'IS THE TFR ACTIVE?' RPTR WAS CONFUSED AS TO WHAT TFR IS ACTIVE AS HE CHKED ALL THE NOTAMS AND RECEIVED A BRIEF PRIOR TO DEPARTING FOR THE FLT AND NO TFR'S WERE BRIEFED.
Narrative: FLEW 75 NM FROM ZZZ2 HOSPITAL TO ZZZ1 HOSPITAL. HAD A DUAT BRIEF BEFORE FLT. BECAUSE OF THE EARLY FIRE SEASON; I ALSO CHKED TFR'S ABOUT 15 MINS BEFORE TKOF. NO TFR'S WERE LISTED FOR THE RTE. AFTER LNDG AT ZZZ1; HEARD ANOTHER ACFT ASK ZZZ TWR; 'IS THE TFR IN EFFECT YET?' TFR? WHAT TFR? 40 MINS LATER I CALLED FSS TO CHK NOTAMS AND TFR BEFORE TKOF. 1-800-WX-BRIEF CONNECTED TO FSS; WHOSE SPECIALIST SAID NO TFR WAS LISTED FOR MY RTE HOME. ASKED ABOUT THE OVERHEARD CONVERSATION; HAD THE TFR BEEN CANCELED? SPECIALIST REPLIED NONE HAD BEEN LISTED; WAS IT THE GENERAL BLANKET TFR FOR SPORTING EVENTS? WAS THE LOCAL TEAM PLAYING? HOW WOULD I KNOW? I'M NOT FROM ZZZ; EITHER! IF A TFR IS IN EFFECT; IT IS THE FSS'S RESPONSIBILITY TO BRIEF IT. SPECIALIST SAID MAYBE IT WAS SOME SPORTING EVENT OR SOMETHING. OR SOMETHING? MAYBE? WHAT? WHERE? WHEN? THE CLASS B CHART HAS NO SPORTS VENUES EXCEPT RACEWAY. HOW CAN I AVOID A TFR THAT FSS DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT BEING HELD WHEN WE DON'T KNOW; WHERE WE DON'T KNOW; THAT ISN'T CHARTED? CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THAT HE HAD RECEIVED A THOROUGH BRIEF REGARDING HIS RTE OF FLT AND HAD CHKED THE NOTAMS. HE WAS CONCERNED THAT A TFR WAS ACTIVE AND HE WAS NOT BRIEFED OR AWARE OF IT. HE IS AN EMS PLT AND FLIES AT LOW ALT AND VFR OVER AREAS THAT MAY HAVE A TFR ACTIVE AND IS CONCERNED THAT THE FSS BRIEFER MAY NOT BE AWARE OF THE TFR. HE WAS CONCERNED THAT HE MAY GET VIOLATED DUE TO A LACK OF PROPER BRIEFING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.