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A B737-300 pilot discusses the confusing textual presentation of msp's sids: 10-3; 10-3A; 10-3B; 10-3E; 10-3F; 10-3G; 10-3H; 10-3J. Reporter recommends simplification to facilitate pre departure briefing accuracy.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 681495 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200512 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : msp.airport |
| State Reference | MN |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737-300 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : preflight ground : parked |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 5000 |
| ASRS Report | 681495 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication |
| Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
| Situations | |
| Chart | sid : 10-3 3a 3b 3c 3e 3f 3g 3h 3j |
Narrative:
The new departures from msp (ie; schep 1) have different climb restrictions or different routing based on your assigned heading which you receive when cleared for takeoff!!! Furthermore; today we received a clearance to fly runway heading; then got a turn from tower after takeoff; so ... Which restrictions apply? This; combined with a level of detail on the charts which requires a lawyer to decipher; makes the departures extremely user-unfriendly to plan and brief adequately. The procedures need to be simplified!!!!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B737-300 PLT DISCUSSES THE CONFUSING TEXTUAL PRESENTATION OF MSP'S SIDS: 10-3; 10-3A; 10-3B; 10-3E; 10-3F; 10-3G; 10-3H; 10-3J. RPTR RECOMMENDS SIMPLIFICATION TO FACILITATE PRE DEP BRIEFING ACCURACY.
Narrative: THE NEW DEPS FROM MSP (IE; SCHEP 1) HAVE DIFFERENT CLB RESTRICTIONS OR DIFFERENT ROUTING BASED ON YOUR ASSIGNED HDG WHICH YOU RECEIVE WHEN CLRED FOR TKOF!!! FURTHERMORE; TODAY WE RECEIVED A CLRNC TO FLY RWY HDG; THEN GOT A TURN FROM TWR AFTER TKOF; SO ... WHICH RESTRICTIONS APPLY? THIS; COMBINED WITH A LEVEL OF DETAIL ON THE CHARTS WHICH REQUIRES A LAWYER TO DECIPHER; MAKES THE DEPS EXTREMELY USER-UNFRIENDLY TO PLAN AND BRIEF ADEQUATELY. THE PROCS NEED TO BE SIMPLIFIED!!!!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.