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B757 departure from sna received ATC instruction immediately after takeoff to return land due to flow control.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 668287 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200508 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : sna.airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : sna.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B757-200 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure sid : musel |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 3500 |
| ASRS Report | 668287 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 152 flight time total : 7500 flight time type : 1518 |
| ASRS Report | 668288 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Just after rotation for the musel 6 departure out of sna; which is part of the labor and concentration intensive noise abatement departure procedures out of there; we were told by the tower controller; 'air carrier X; we just received a flow control time of :15 for you to chicago; we need you to come back and land. Contact departure.' needless to say; this caused some confusion in the cockpit in the midst of a maximum performance; flaps 20 degree bleeds off noise abatement takeoff. We contacted departure and received only standard departure instructions for our climb out. Perhaps the call was in error for another plane. Regardless; for tower to contact us at that moment for a flow after we had already departed was ridiculous. The timing was extremely unsafe and unprofessional. As soon as we were at cruise; we contacted dispatch and asked them to investigate. We were contacted and told that they would review the tapes.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757 DEP FROM SNA RECEIVED ATC INSTRUCTION IMMEDIATELY AFTER TKOF TO RETURN LAND DUE TO FLOW CTL.
Narrative: JUST AFTER ROTATION FOR THE MUSEL 6 DEP OUT OF SNA; WHICH IS PART OF THE LABOR AND CONCENTRATION INTENSIVE NOISE ABATEMENT DEP PROCS OUT OF THERE; WE WERE TOLD BY THE TWR CTLR; 'ACR X; WE JUST RECEIVED A FLOW CTL TIME OF :15 FOR YOU TO CHICAGO; WE NEED YOU TO COME BACK AND LAND. CONTACT DEP.' NEEDLESS TO SAY; THIS CAUSED SOME CONFUSION IN THE COCKPIT IN THE MIDST OF A MAX PERFORMANCE; FLAPS 20 DEG BLEEDS OFF NOISE ABATEMENT TKOF. WE CONTACTED DEP AND RECEIVED ONLY STANDARD DEP INSTRUCTIONS FOR OUR CLBOUT. PERHAPS THE CALL WAS IN ERROR FOR ANOTHER PLANE. REGARDLESS; FOR TWR TO CONTACT US AT THAT MOMENT FOR A FLOW AFTER WE HAD ALREADY DEPARTED WAS RIDICULOUS. THE TIMING WAS EXTREMELY UNSAFE AND UNPROFESSIONAL. AS SOON AS WE WERE AT CRUISE; WE CONTACTED DISPATCH AND ASKED THEM TO INVESTIGATE. WE WERE CONTACTED AND TOLD THAT THEY WOULD REVIEW THE TAPES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.