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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 665524 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200507 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : aml.vortac |
| State Reference | VA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 11000 |
| Environment | |
| Weather Elements | Thunderstorm |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : pct.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : pct.tracon |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | Learjet 35 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller radar : 24 |
| ASRS Report | 665524 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | airspace violation : entry conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 12000 vertical : 600 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Due to thunderstorms over dca airport; the arrs were shut off. I was working the luray arrival sector and had to start vectoring aircraft off of the arrival route. I pointed out one of the aircraft to the tilly sector at 11000 ft. I then entered the manne sector's airspace at 11000 ft without a pointout. Since this position is new to our area; familiarity with airspace boundary was a factor -- I was just over the line. Also; airspace boundary line is defined on this position with a range mark; we in our area are not accustomed to this. A map with an airspace boundary line(south) would be of more help. My aircraft and one of manne's aircraft responded to an RA; but separation had already been lost. An established holding pattern/procedure would also help.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PCT CTLR EXPERIENCED OPERROR AT 11000 FT WHILE VECTORING DCA ARRS AND ENTERING ADJACENT AIRSPACE WITHOUT COORD.
Narrative: DUE TO TSTMS OVER DCA ARPT; THE ARRS WERE SHUT OFF. I WAS WORKING THE LURAY ARR SECTOR AND HAD TO START VECTORING ACFT OFF OF THE ARR RTE. I POINTED OUT ONE OF THE ACFT TO THE TILLY SECTOR AT 11000 FT. I THEN ENTERED THE MANNE SECTOR'S AIRSPACE AT 11000 FT WITHOUT A POINTOUT. SINCE THIS POS IS NEW TO OUR AREA; FAMILIARITY WITH AIRSPACE BOUNDARY WAS A FACTOR -- I WAS JUST OVER THE LINE. ALSO; AIRSPACE BOUNDARY LINE IS DEFINED ON THIS POS WITH A RANGE MARK; WE IN OUR AREA ARE NOT ACCUSTOMED TO THIS. A MAP WITH AN AIRSPACE BOUNDARY LINE(S) WOULD BE OF MORE HELP. MY ACFT AND ONE OF MANNE'S ACFT RESPONDED TO AN RA; BUT SEPARATION HAD ALREADY BEEN LOST. AN ESTABLISHED HOLDING PATTERN/PROC WOULD ALSO HELP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.