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Flight crew of carj are alarmed to discover previous landing aircraft on runway 22 at gsp was not clear of the runway when they were cleared for takeoff. Later; a call to tower informed them that the tower considered it ok to departure aircraft if previous arrival's tail is clear of the runway; notwithstanding the aircraft's position relative hold to the hold short line.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 660692 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200506 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : gsp.airport |
| State Reference | SC |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Regional Jet 200 ER&LR |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : takeoff roll |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : gsp.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 2500 |
| ASRS Report | 660692 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground critical ground encounters other incursion : runway non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted none taken : detected after the fact none taken : insufficient time |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Flight XXXX landed at runway 22 in gsp. After they cleared the runway; our flight; YYYY; was cleared into position on runway 22 shortly after flight XXXX was told to take taxiway A2 and proceed to the gate. However; they took the reverse taxiway 'east' and were told to hold short of taxiway 'a.' meantime; we (flight YYYY) were cleared for takeoff runway 22. The takeoff was was uneventful. When we passed the taxiway where flight XXXX was located; I noticed that the aircraft was holding short on the wrong side of the hold short line (dashed side). On departure control; I questioned the controller and I was given the gsp tower number. Upon arrival in cvg; I returned the call and talked to the supervisor. Her explanation was that as long as the tail section is off the runway; they can clear another aircraft for takeoff. The opinion of the crew is that this was a runway incursion with improper separation by the tower controller. The reason (as stated by the supervisor in gsp) was that flight XXXX had to hold short because of the outbound traffic from the ramp.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW OF CARJ ARE ALARMED TO DISCOVER PREVIOUS LNDG ACFT ON RWY 22 AT GSP WAS NOT CLR OF THE RWY WHEN THEY WERE CLRED FOR TKOF. LATER; A CALL TO TWR INFORMED THEM THAT THE TWR CONSIDERED IT OK TO DEP ACFT IF PREVIOUS ARR'S TAIL IS CLR OF THE RWY; NOTWITHSTANDING THE ACFT'S POSITION RELATIVE HOLD TO THE HOLD SHORT LINE.
Narrative: FLT XXXX LANDED AT RWY 22 IN GSP. AFTER THEY CLRED THE RWY; OUR FLT; YYYY; WAS CLRED INTO POSITION ON RWY 22 SHORTLY AFTER FLT XXXX WAS TOLD TO TAKE TXWY A2 AND PROCEED TO THE GATE. HOWEVER; THEY TOOK THE REVERSE TXWY 'E' AND WERE TOLD TO HOLD SHORT OF TXWY 'A.' MEANTIME; WE (FLT YYYY) WERE CLRED FOR TKOF RWY 22. THE TKOF WAS WAS UNEVENTFUL. WHEN WE PASSED THE TXWY WHERE FLT XXXX WAS LOCATED; I NOTICED THAT THE ACFT WAS HOLDING SHORT ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE HOLD SHORT LINE (DASHED SIDE). ON DEP CTL; I QUESTIONED THE CTLR AND I WAS GIVEN THE GSP TWR NUMBER. UPON ARR IN CVG; I RETURNED THE CALL AND TALKED TO THE SUPVR. HER EXPLANATION WAS THAT AS LONG AS THE TAIL SECTION IS OFF THE RWY; THEY CAN CLR ANOTHER ACFT FOR TKOF. THE OPINION OF THE CREW IS THAT THIS WAS A RWY INCURSION WITH IMPROPER SEPARATION BY THE TWR CTLR. THE REASON (AS STATED BY THE SUPVR IN GSP) WAS THAT FLT XXXX HAD TO HOLD SHORT BECAUSE OF THE OUTBOUND TFC FROM THE RAMP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.