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A DA50 (falcon 50) departing teb contacted TRACON with clearance to 2000 ft and was questioned about his 1500 ft restr.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 652604 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200504 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : teb.airport |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon tower : ord.tower |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Falcon 50 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure sid : teb 5 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure sid : teb 5 |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 9500 flight time type : 3000 |
| ASRS Report | 652604 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Departing teb on runway 24 SID; first altitude was set to 1500 ft per SID. SID calls for a climb to 2000 ft at 4.5 DME. After takeoff first call to departure controller was 'off teb; climbing to 2000 ft on the teb 5.' controller asked for confirmation that we were climbing to 1500 ft; answer was affirmative. Controller asked if we knew when to climb to 2000 ft; response was 'at 4.5 DME.' controller answered 'that's correct.' aircraft following ours checked in the same way; controller seemed annoyed and responded; 'you're the second one to check in this way.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A DA50 (FALCON 50) DEPARTING TEB CONTACTED TRACON WITH CLRNC TO 2000 FT AND WAS QUESTIONED ABOUT HIS 1500 FT RESTR.
Narrative: DEPARTING TEB ON RWY 24 SID; FIRST ALT WAS SET TO 1500 FT PER SID. SID CALLS FOR A CLB TO 2000 FT AT 4.5 DME. AFTER TKOF FIRST CALL TO DEP CTLR WAS 'OFF TEB; CLBING TO 2000 FT ON THE TEB 5.' CTLR ASKED FOR CONFIRMATION THAT WE WERE CLBING TO 1500 FT; ANSWER WAS AFFIRMATIVE. CTLR ASKED IF WE KNEW WHEN TO CLB TO 2000 FT; RESPONSE WAS 'AT 4.5 DME.' CTLR ANSWERED 'THAT'S CORRECT.' ACFT FOLLOWING OURS CHKED IN THE SAME WAY; CTLR SEEMED ANNOYED AND RESPONDED; 'YOU'RE THE SECOND ONE TO CHK IN THIS WAY.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.