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ZBW controller expressed frustration with adjacent ZNY controller technique regarding vectoring procedures in another controller's airspace.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 632033 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200409 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : sax.vortac |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Altitude | msl single value : 37000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zbw.artcc artcc : zny.artcc tower : dfw.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B747 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : non radar |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller radar : 15 |
| ASRS Report | 632033 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Aircraft Airspace Structure |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Air carrier X was handed off to me from an adjacent sector and was told aircraft was NORDO. We then advised and handed aircraft off to sector 56 in ZNY. Air carrier X then called on my frequency. At this time he was 10 mi outside on my airspace. I told him to contact sector 56 in ZNY because he was in their airspace. Approximately 2 mins later air carrier X again checked on my frequency. He was now over sax VOR and 30 mi outside my airspace. I again instructed the aircraft to contact sector 56 in ZNY. He informed me that the controller repeatedly sent him back to me. We then called ZNY sector 56 on the landline to find out why this was occurring. He informed us 'we don't work jfk arrs over here, do whatever you want with him.' I then had to vector the aircraft 40 mi back into my airspace. To solve the situation, sector 56 in ZNY should have worked the aircraft because he was 30 mi inside his airspace.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZBW CTLR EXPRESSED FRUSTRATION WITH ADJACENT ZNY CTLR TECHNIQUE REGARDING VECTORING PROCS IN ANOTHER CTLR'S AIRSPACE.
Narrative: ACR X WAS HANDED OFF TO ME FROM AN ADJACENT SECTOR AND WAS TOLD ACFT WAS NORDO. WE THEN ADVISED AND HANDED ACFT OFF TO SECTOR 56 IN ZNY. ACR X THEN CALLED ON MY FREQ. AT THIS TIME HE WAS 10 MI OUTSIDE ON MY AIRSPACE. I TOLD HIM TO CONTACT SECTOR 56 IN ZNY BECAUSE HE WAS IN THEIR AIRSPACE. APPROX 2 MINS LATER ACR X AGAIN CHKED ON MY FREQ. HE WAS NOW OVER SAX VOR AND 30 MI OUTSIDE MY AIRSPACE. I AGAIN INSTRUCTED THE ACFT TO CONTACT SECTOR 56 IN ZNY. HE INFORMED ME THAT THE CTLR REPEATEDLY SENT HIM BACK TO ME. WE THEN CALLED ZNY SECTOR 56 ON THE LANDLINE TO FIND OUT WHY THIS WAS OCCURRING. HE INFORMED US 'WE DON'T WORK JFK ARRS OVER HERE, DO WHATEVER YOU WANT WITH HIM.' I THEN HAD TO VECTOR THE ACFT 40 MI BACK INTO MY AIRSPACE. TO SOLVE THE SIT, SECTOR 56 IN ZNY SHOULD HAVE WORKED THE ACFT BECAUSE HE WAS 30 MI INSIDE HIS AIRSPACE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.