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Overweight landing in an EMB145 at jan. Crew had requested that 437 pounds of mail be removed prior to departure from clt. Mail was never removed.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 622475 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200406 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : jan.airport |
| State Reference | MS |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : jan.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 2000 |
| ASRS Report | 622475 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 800 flight time type : 550 |
| ASRS Report | 622474 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : company policies non adherence : far other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | other other Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Maintenance Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance Company Aircraft |
| Primary Problem | Company |
Narrative:
Upon loading off passenger and cargo in clt I instructed ramp personnel to remove 437 pounds of mail as that would put us overweight on landing based on fuel burn in jan. We were told mail was removed and it was shown removed on corrected form making us legal to depart. Flight was completed uneventfully, however during postflt walkaround first officer noticed mail being offloaded resulting in possible overweight landing. Maintenance control was notified and I was asked if sink rate on landing was more than 600 FPM, which I replied that it was not. According to maintenance, parameters weren't exceeded and overweight inspection was not required making us good to initiate return flight. It appears to me that greater training and supervision is required for clt ramp personnel. This event could have resulted in something worse than an overweight landing. Supplemental information from acn 622474: upon walkaround inspection I noticed that the mail was never removed. The ZZZ ramp personnel acted against what they were told. It is obvious that they need more training and discipline in order to prevent the same incident from recurring.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: OVERWT LNDG IN AN EMB145 AT JAN. CREW HAD REQUESTED THAT 437 LBS OF MAIL BE REMOVED PRIOR TO DEP FROM CLT. MAIL WAS NEVER REMOVED.
Narrative: UPON LOADING OFF PAX AND CARGO IN CLT I INSTRUCTED RAMP PERSONNEL TO REMOVE 437 LBS OF MAIL AS THAT WOULD PUT US OVERWT ON LNDG BASED ON FUEL BURN IN JAN. WE WERE TOLD MAIL WAS REMOVED AND IT WAS SHOWN REMOVED ON CORRECTED FORM MAKING US LEGAL TO DEPART. FLT WAS COMPLETED UNEVENTFULLY, HOWEVER DURING POSTFLT WALKAROUND FO NOTICED MAIL BEING OFFLOADED RESULTING IN POSSIBLE OVERWT LNDG. MAINT CTL WAS NOTIFIED AND I WAS ASKED IF SINK RATE ON LNDG WAS MORE THAN 600 FPM, WHICH I REPLIED THAT IT WAS NOT. ACCORDING TO MAINT, PARAMETERS WEREN'T EXCEEDED AND OVERWT INSPECTION WAS NOT REQUIRED MAKING US GOOD TO INITIATE RETURN FLT. IT APPEARS TO ME THAT GREATER TRAINING AND SUPERVISION IS REQUIRED FOR CLT RAMP PERSONNEL. THIS EVENT COULD HAVE RESULTED IN SOMETHING WORSE THAN AN OVERWT LNDG. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 622474: UPON WALKAROUND INSPECTION I NOTICED THAT THE MAIL WAS NEVER REMOVED. THE ZZZ RAMP PERSONNEL ACTED AGAINST WHAT THEY WERE TOLD. IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THEY NEED MORE TRAINING AND DISCIPLINE IN ORDER TO PREVENT THE SAME INCIDENT FROM RECURRING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.