Uncoord entry into neighboring jfk class B airspace by a departure B737 when SID was altered by N90 departure controller with an altitude change that confused the crew as to when to make the turn to the northwest out of lga, ny.

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Attributes
ACN	619133
Time
Date	200405
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lga.airport
State Reference	NY
Altitude	msl single value : 3000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : n90.tracon
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B737-300
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	departure sid : lga
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Controlling Facilities	tracon : n90.tracon
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Commercial Fixed Wing
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 320
ASRS Report	619133
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 8600 flight time type : 1250
ASRS Report	618990
Events
Anomaly	aircraft equipment problem : less severe airspace violation : entry non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course flight crew : exited penetrated airspace
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance Chart Or Publication
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Operational Deviation

Narrative:

The maspeth climb says, 'turn right, maintain heading 180 degrees until leaving 3000 ft, then turn right to 340 degrees.' on initial contact with departure control, ATC informed us that the preceding air carrier Y aircraft was NORDO, therefore, climb only to 3000 ft. Upon reaching 3000 ft, the captain asked me if we were cleared right to heading 340 degrees. I responded that according to the maspeth climb, we were only cleared to heading 340 degrees leaving 3000 ft. Within 2-3 seconds, ATC asked, 'are you in the turn to 340 degrees? You are in kennedy airspace.' I replied, 'we are not cleared to 340 degrees until leaving 3000 ft.' ATC instructed us to turn to heading 310 degrees, and we complied. Supplemental information from acn 618990: maybe controller should have said 'maintain 3000 ft, turn right 340 degrees upon reaching 3000 ft.'

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: UNCOORD ENTRY INTO NEIGHBORING JFK CLASS B AIRSPACE BY A DEP B737 WHEN SID WAS ALTERED BY N90 DEP CTLR WITH AN ALT CHANGE THAT CONFUSED THE CREW AS TO WHEN TO MAKE THE TURN TO THE NW OUT OF LGA, NY.

Narrative: THE MASPETH CLB SAYS, 'TURN R, MAINTAIN HDG 180 DEGS UNTIL LEAVING 3000 FT, THEN TURN R TO 340 DEGS.' ON INITIAL CONTACT WITH DEP CTL, ATC INFORMED US THAT THE PRECEDING ACR Y ACFT WAS NORDO, THEREFORE, CLB ONLY TO 3000 FT. UPON REACHING 3000 FT, THE CAPT ASKED ME IF WE WERE CLRED R TO HDG 340 DEGS. I RESPONDED THAT ACCORDING TO THE MASPETH CLB, WE WERE ONLY CLRED TO HDG 340 DEGS LEAVING 3000 FT. WITHIN 2-3 SECONDS, ATC ASKED, 'ARE YOU IN THE TURN TO 340 DEGS? YOU ARE IN KENNEDY AIRSPACE.' I REPLIED, 'WE ARE NOT CLRED TO 340 DEGS UNTIL LEAVING 3000 FT.' ATC INSTRUCTED US TO TURN TO HDG 310 DEGS, AND WE COMPLIED. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 618990: MAYBE CTLR SHOULD HAVE SAID 'MAINTAIN 3000 FT, TURN R 340 DEGS UPON REACHING 3000 FT.'

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.