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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 607058 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200402 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : teb.airport |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 4000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 7600 flight time type : 900 |
| ASRS Report | 607058 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar mode c aircraft equipment : tcas other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb other other : 3 |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : took evasive action |
| Miss Distance | vertical : 300 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
While being vectored from new york approach we were given a descent from 4000 ft to 3000 ft. We were advised about traffic at our 2 O'clock position and 300-400 ft lower. ATC gave us a right turn of 25 degrees and a descent to 3000 ft. We were unable to accept it due to TCASII and a visual with the aircraft. ATC presumed to tell me his radar was better than what ever we saw and we should descend. Upon clearing traffic, I descended on approach control's vectors.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: HS125 PLT IGNORES A N90 CTLR'S DSCNT INSTRUCTION TO COMPLY TO A TCASII ALERT.
Narrative: WHILE BEING VECTORED FROM NEW YORK APCH WE WERE GIVEN A DSCNT FROM 4000 FT TO 3000 FT. WE WERE ADVISED ABOUT TFC AT OUR 2 O'CLOCK POS AND 300-400 FT LOWER. ATC GAVE US A R TURN OF 25 DEGS AND A DSCNT TO 3000 FT. WE WERE UNABLE TO ACCEPT IT DUE TO TCASII AND A VISUAL WITH THE ACFT. ATC PRESUMED TO TELL ME HIS RADAR WAS BETTER THAN WHAT EVER WE SAW AND WE SHOULD DSND. UPON CLRING TFC, I DSNDED ON APCH CTL'S VECTORS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.