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B747-300 crew descended on a visual approach to runway 8L at phnl in non compliance to cross the shoreline at 2500 ft.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 594938 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200309 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : hnl.vortac |
| State Reference | HI |
| Altitude | msl single value : 2500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : hnl.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B747 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 8l |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 170 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 320 |
| ASRS Report | 594938 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
During approach to the honolulu international airport, the honolulu control tower cleared us for the visual approach to runway 8L. The clearance was issued when our position was 8 NM to the northeast of the honolulu VOR. The tower instructed us to join the 5 mi base to runway 8L and cross the shoreline at 2500 ft MSL, at the time we were at 3000 ft MSL. After reading back the clearance, I started to descend from 3000 ft to 2500 ft MSL. That type of clearance forced us to a high visual approach profile. So once we crossed the shoreline, I started a descent right away to get back on vertical profile right away. The tower asked for our position in respect to the shoreline, we answered that our position was over the shoreline. The tower asked for our altitude and we responded 2300 ft MSL. Then, we were cleared to land uneventfully. I personally think that the clearance was kind of tight for the runway in use. Visual approachs should come with less restrs since they are harder due to the lack of navigation reference.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B747-300 CREW DSNDED ON A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 8L AT PHNL IN NON COMPLIANCE TO CROSS THE SHORELINE AT 2500 FT.
Narrative: DURING APCH TO THE HONOLULU INTL ARPT, THE HONOLULU CTL TWR CLRED US FOR THE VISUAL APCH TO RWY 8L. THE CLRNC WAS ISSUED WHEN OUR POS WAS 8 NM TO THE NE OF THE HONOLULU VOR. THE TWR INSTRUCTED US TO JOIN THE 5 MI BASE TO RWY 8L AND CROSS THE SHORELINE AT 2500 FT MSL, AT THE TIME WE WERE AT 3000 FT MSL. AFTER READING BACK THE CLRNC, I STARTED TO DSND FROM 3000 FT TO 2500 FT MSL. THAT TYPE OF CLRNC FORCED US TO A HIGH VISUAL APCH PROFILE. SO ONCE WE CROSSED THE SHORELINE, I STARTED A DSCNT RIGHT AWAY TO GET BACK ON VERT PROFILE RIGHT AWAY. THE TWR ASKED FOR OUR POS IN RESPECT TO THE SHORELINE, WE ANSWERED THAT OUR POS WAS OVER THE SHORELINE. THE TWR ASKED FOR OUR ALT AND WE RESPONDED 2300 FT MSL. THEN, WE WERE CLRED TO LAND UNEVENTFULLY. I PERSONALLY THINK THAT THE CLRNC WAS KIND OF TIGHT FOR THE RWY IN USE. VISUAL APCHS SHOULD COME WITH LESS RESTRS SINCE THEY ARE HARDER DUE TO THE LACK OF NAV REF.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.