An air carrier pilot involved in a program for domestic operation contends that it should be imprope...

Attributes
ACN	590404
Time
Date	200308
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : jfk.airport
State Reference	NY
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : lbb.tower
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain
Qualification	pilot : atp
ASRS Report	590404
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : company policies
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : unable
Consequence	other
Supplementary
Problem Areas	FAA Flight Crew Human Performance Company
Primary Problem	Company

Narrative:

I am an A300 captain based in ZZZ on international reserve. I was assigned an XA20 program for 08/mon/03, with a duty period of XA20 to XP59. Crew schedule called me at approximately XI35 on aug/mon/03 to procure a trip to ZZZZ, first officer, with a landing time of XS09. I asked the scheduler how I could do that if my program ended at XP59. I was informed that I was still legal to fly the international trip, as programs don't apply to flag operations. Air carrier X wants to have their cake and eat it too. You can be illegal to fly a 50NM trip, but legal to fly 4000 NM on and int'l trip.. This defies all attempts at logic. In the future when assigned a domestic program, I will consider it binding on international departures as well. In order to be rested at XA00 you must retire early which means you will probably rise early. Your body will tire regardless of where you are flying to. This dangerous loophole needs to be closed.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: AN ACR PLT INVOLVED IN A PROGRAM FOR DOMESTIC OP CONTENDS THAT IT SHOULD BE IMPROPER TO BE REASSIGNED TO AN INTL OP THAT WOULD EXTEND HIS DUTY TIME BEYOND THE DOMESTIC LIMITS.

Narrative: I AM AN A300 CAPT BASED IN ZZZ ON INTL RESERVE. I WAS ASSIGNED AN XA20 PROGRAM FOR 08/MON/03, WITH A DUTY PERIOD OF XA20 TO XP59. CREW SCHEDULE CALLED ME AT APPROX XI35 ON AUG/MON/03 TO PROCURE A TRIP TO ZZZZ, FO, WITH A LNDG TIME OF XS09. I ASKED THE SCHEDULER HOW I COULD DO THAT IF MY PROGRAM ENDED AT XP59. I WAS INFORMED THAT I WAS STILL LEGAL TO FLY THE INTL TRIP, AS PROGRAMS DON'T APPLY TO FLAG OPS. ACR X WANTS TO HAVE THEIR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO. YOU CAN BE ILLEGAL TO FLY A 50NM TRIP, BUT LEGAL TO FLY 4000 NM ON AND INT'L TRIP.. THIS DEFIES ALL ATTEMPTS AT LOGIC. IN THE FUTURE WHEN ASSIGNED A DOMESTIC PROGRAM, I WILL CONSIDER IT BINDING ON INTL DEPS AS WELL. IN ORDER TO BE RESTED AT XA00 YOU MUST RETIRE EARLY WHICH MEANS YOU WILL PROBABLY RISE EARLY. YOUR BODY WILL TIRE REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOU ARE FLYING TO. THIS DANGEROUS LOOPHOLE NEEDS TO BE CLOSED.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

An air carrier pilot involved in a program for domestic operation contends that it should be improper to be reassigned to an international operation that would extend his duty time beyond the domestic limits.