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B767 flight crew programs the aircraft's FMC improperly and has a course deviation while en route to jfk.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 580257 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200304 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| State Reference | UT |
| Altitude | msl single value : 37000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla.artcc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B767-300 and 300 ER |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Route In Use | enroute airway : j154.airway |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 3800 |
| ASRS Report | 580257 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 10100 flight time type : 850 |
| ASRS Report | 580258 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllerb |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Starting to program the FMC on flight 14 from sfo to jfk, I had problems entering the route the way it was depicted on the flight plan. On this flight plan, there was a segment where an airway was intersecting an airway. We were going from sfo-lin-J84-MVA-J154-J158-ocs. No matter how I tried to enter the route, it would not allow me to enter the route the way it was depicted on the flight plan. I asked my first officer to take a look at the entry I had made, and he agreed what I had entered was correct, so we decided to activate the route. Upon entering ZLC, ATC asked where we were going, and we said we were going along J154. He said we were 20 mi north of J154 and cleared us direct ocs. After looking at our position closer, we discovered he was correct, and that we were 20 mi north of J154. I tried to duplicate my entry using the route 2 page on the FMC, and the closest I could figure is that instead of going from MVA J158-J154-ocs, we had flown from the crossing of J158-J154 direct ocs. During this process, I discovered that the way we are trained to enter this intersection is not very good, and that there is a better way of doing it with less steps and less chances for error. I will pass this information to you if you are interested. Call me or send me a e-note.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B767 FLT CREW PROGRAMS THE ACFT'S FMC IMPROPERLY AND HAS A COURSE DEV WHILE ENRTE TO JFK.
Narrative: STARTING TO PROGRAM THE FMC ON FLT 14 FROM SFO TO JFK, I HAD PROBS ENTERING THE RTE THE WAY IT WAS DEPICTED ON THE FLT PLAN. ON THIS FLT PLAN, THERE WAS A SEGMENT WHERE AN AIRWAY WAS INTERSECTING AN AIRWAY. WE WERE GOING FROM SFO-LIN-J84-MVA-J154-J158-OCS. NO MATTER HOW I TRIED TO ENTER THE RTE, IT WOULD NOT ALLOW ME TO ENTER THE RTE THE WAY IT WAS DEPICTED ON THE FLT PLAN. I ASKED MY FO TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE ENTRY I HAD MADE, AND HE AGREED WHAT I HAD ENTERED WAS CORRECT, SO WE DECIDED TO ACTIVATE THE RTE. UPON ENTERING ZLC, ATC ASKED WHERE WE WERE GOING, AND WE SAID WE WERE GOING ALONG J154. HE SAID WE WERE 20 MI N OF J154 AND CLRED US DIRECT OCS. AFTER LOOKING AT OUR POS CLOSER, WE DISCOVERED HE WAS CORRECT, AND THAT WE WERE 20 MI N OF J154. I TRIED TO DUPLICATE MY ENTRY USING THE RTE 2 PAGE ON THE FMC, AND THE CLOSEST I COULD FIGURE IS THAT INSTEAD OF GOING FROM MVA J158-J154-OCS, WE HAD FLOWN FROM THE XING OF J158-J154 DIRECT OCS. DURING THIS PROCESS, I DISCOVERED THAT THE WAY WE ARE TRAINED TO ENTER THIS INTXN IS NOT VERY GOOD, AND THAT THERE IS A BETTER WAY OF DOING IT WITH LESS STEPS AND LESS CHANCES FOR ERROR. I WILL PASS THIS INFO TO YOU IF YOU ARE INTERESTED. CALL ME OR SEND ME A E-NOTE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.