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|Local Time Of Day||1201 To 1800|
|Locale Reference||atc facility : n90.tracon|
|Controlling Facilities||tracon : n90.tracon|
|Operator||general aviation : personal|
|Make Model Name||Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172|
|Operating Under FAR Part||Part 91|
|Flight Phase||descent : approach|
|Route In Use||approach : visual|
|Function||flight crew : single pilot|
|Qualification||pilot : private|
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 20|
flight time total : 390
flight time type : 300
|Affiliation||government : faa|
|Function||controller : approach|
|Anomaly||non adherence : far|
non adherence : published procedure
other anomaly other
|Independent Detector||other controllera|
|Consequence||faa : reviewed incident with flight crew|
faa : investigated
ATC Human Performance
|Primary Problem||ATC Human Performance|
|ATC Facility||staffing : n90.tracon|
|Airspace Structure||special use : nyadiz.othersua|
I called flight service filed an ADIZ flight plan and proceeded to call my TRACON for discrete beacon code. Upon takeoff I circled the airport until I was in communication with ATC. At this point I informed the controller that I was airborne and squawking the appropriate code. It was an extremely busy day for ATC. The controller replied that he acknowledged my presence and that there would be no radar service at that time. He also informed me to stay clear of class B airspace. He did not tell me to stay out of the ADIZ. I replied that I would remain clear of class B airspace. I then proceeded with my planned flight to an airport inside of the ADIZ as was my departure airport. I remained clear of the class B at all times and monitored the ATC frequency. I did not hear my numbers called. When I arrived at my destination the ground controller said I was told to call TRACON. I phoned TRACON and was scolded by the man on the other end. I explained to him the chain of events and said I felt that I did not do anything wrong. At that point he said he would reprimand the controller. On the return trip home the flight was uneventful and was with ATC for the duration. If I was not wanted inside the ADIZ the controller should have said stay clear of the ADIZ not just class B as I did.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C172 PLT, WAS INSTRUCTED TO CALL THE N90 SUPVR AFTER LNDG. THE PLT APPEARED TO COMPLY WITH ALL RULES ESTABLISHED FOR OP WITHIN NY ADIZ. THE N90 APCH CTLR REFUSED TO WORK WITH THE PLT.
Narrative: I CALLED FLT SVC FILED AN ADIZ FLT PLAN AND PROCEEDED TO CALL MY TRACON FOR DISCRETE BEACON CODE. UPON TAKEOFF I CIRCLED THE ARPT UNTIL I WAS IN COMMUNICATION WITH ATC. AT THIS POINT I INFORMED THE CTLR THAT I WAS AIRBORNE AND SQUAWKING THE APPROPRIATE CODE. IT WAS AN EXTREMELY BUSY DAY FOR ATC. THE CTLR REPLIED THAT HE ACKNOWLEDGED MY PRESENCE AND THAT THERE WOULD BE NO RADAR SVC AT THAT TIME. HE ALSO INFORMED ME TO STAY CLR OF CLASS B AIRSPACE. HE DID NOT TELL ME TO STAY OUT OF THE ADIZ. I REPLIED THAT I WOULD REMAIN CLR OF CLASS B AIRSPACE. I THEN PROCEEDED WITH MY PLANNED FLT TO AN ARPT INSIDE OF THE ADIZ AS WAS MY DEP ARPT. I REMAINED CLR OF THE CLASS B AT ALL TIMES AND MONITORED THE ATC FREQUENCY. I DID NOT HEAR MY NUMBERS CALLED. WHEN I ARRIVED AT MY DEST THE GND CTLR SAID I WAS TOLD TO CALL TRACON. I PHONED TRACON AND WAS SCOLDED BY THE MAN ON THE OTHER END. I EXPLAINED TO HIM THE CHAIN OF EVENTS AND SAID I FELT THAT I DID NOT DO ANYTHING WRONG. AT THAT POINT HE SAID HE WOULD REPRIMAND THE CTLR. ON THE RETURN TRIP HOME THE FLT WAS UNEVENTFUL AND WAS WITH ATC FOR THE DURATION. IF I WAS NOT WANTED INSIDE THE ADIZ THE CTLR SHOULD HAVE SAID STAY CLR OF THE ADIZ NOT JUST CLASS B AS I DID.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.