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Near midair collision between a T28A training flight and an arriving BE30 entering downwind on a non standard entry leg at cxp, nv.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 575571 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200303 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| State Reference | NV |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 5800 msl bound upper : 6100 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Trojan (T28) |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual approach : traffic pattern |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Super King Air 300 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual approach : traffic pattern |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | instruction : instructor |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 55 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 10 |
| ASRS Report | 575571 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 300 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
After touchdown, during touch-and-go with student, I heard a king air call 8 mi to the north, and will 'be entering the downwind for runway 27 crescent city.' my student called 'tail number, departing 27 carson, left traffic, we will be in the pattern for runway 27.' about 30 seconds later, I heard the king air say he 'will be entering the downwind for runway 27 on the 45 degree entry.' I then felt I knew where he would be coming from and ok'ed my student to turn crosswind. He made the call, 'aircraft number is on the crosswind runway 27 carson city.' we were looking for the traffic off our left, which is where the 45 degree to the downwind is. We turned downwind and made the call established on the downwind, runway 27 carson city. Level off at pattern altitude, I heard the king air call 'entering the downwind, carson.' I then observed him fly about 200-300 ft above us from our left 7 O'clock position. Not where he said he would be. He flew out to our right, ie, wide downwind, and I asked my student to ask if he saw us at his left 9 O'clock position. Only then did he say 'oh, there you are.' I talked with the pilot after landing. He admitted it was his fault, and he had made the error.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: NMAC BTWN A T28A TRAINING FLT AND AN ARRIVING BE30 ENTERING DOWNWIND ON A NON STANDARD ENTRY LEG AT CXP, NV.
Narrative: AFTER TOUCHDOWN, DURING TOUCH-AND-GO WITH STUDENT, I HEARD A KING AIR CALL 8 MI TO THE N, AND WILL 'BE ENTERING THE DOWNWIND FOR RWY 27 CRESCENT CITY.' MY STUDENT CALLED 'TAIL NUMBER, DEPARTING 27 CARSON, L TFC, WE WILL BE IN THE PATTERN FOR RWY 27.' ABOUT 30 SECONDS LATER, I HEARD THE KING AIR SAY HE 'WILL BE ENTERING THE DOWNWIND FOR RWY 27 ON THE 45 DEG ENTRY.' I THEN FELT I KNEW WHERE HE WOULD BE COMING FROM AND OK'ED MY STUDENT TO TURN XWIND. HE MADE THE CALL, 'ACFT NUMBER IS ON THE XWIND RWY 27 CARSON CITY.' WE WERE LOOKING FOR THE TFC OFF OUR L, WHICH IS WHERE THE 45 DEG TO THE DOWNWIND IS. WE TURNED DOWNWIND AND MADE THE CALL ESTABLISHED ON THE DOWNWIND, RWY 27 CARSON CITY. LEVEL OFF AT PATTERN ALT, I HEARD THE KING AIR CALL 'ENTERING THE DOWNWIND, CARSON.' I THEN OBSERVED HIM FLY ABOUT 200-300 FT ABOVE US FROM OUR L 7 O'CLOCK POS. NOT WHERE HE SAID HE WOULD BE. HE FLEW OUT TO OUR R, IE, WIDE DOWNWIND, AND I ASKED MY STUDENT TO ASK IF HE SAW US AT HIS L 9 O'CLOCK POS. ONLY THEN DID HE SAY 'OH, THERE YOU ARE.' I TALKED WITH THE PLT AFTER LNDG. HE ADMITTED IT WAS HIS FAULT, AND HE HAD MADE THE ERROR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.