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|Locale Reference||airport : aeg.airport|
|Controlling Facilities||artcc : zab.artcc|
tower : sjc.tower
|Operator||general aviation : personal|
|Make Model Name||Citation I|
|Operating Under FAR Part||Part 91|
|Flight Phase||descent : intermediate altitude|
|Route In Use||arrival star : zzz|
|Function||flight crew : captain|
oversight : pic
|Qualification||pilot : commercial|
pilot : instrument
pilot : multi engine
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 25|
flight time total : 2800
flight time type : 1000
|Function||flight crew : first officer|
|Anomaly||non adherence : clearance|
non adherence : published procedure
|Independent Detector||other flight crewa|
|Resolutory Action||none taken : anomaly accepted|
|Problem Areas||Chart Or Publication|
ATC Human Performance
|Primary Problem||ATC Human Performance|
Albuquerque center and approach are assigning stars for abq to aircraft heading to other airports including aeg (double eagle). Unlike in many areas where more than one airport is served by the same STAR, aeg is not served by these procedures. Therefore to follow the clearance you must change the destination in your box to access the STAR and then change it back again to navigate to the destination airport. This creates a very high workload during a critical portion of the flight. It also reduces situation awareness since the STAR depiction for the 'phantom airport' may or may not show your actual destination airport. The same goes for using paper charts. Since the procedure is not authorized for aeg it is not in the charts for aeg. Stars and sids are associated with airports. For ATC to assign a procedure from another airport makes no sense. They could easily accomplish the same thing by assigning a couple of intersections or they could have the FAA add these stars to aeg. What they are currently doing is forcing the flight crew to spend a lot of time reprogramming their box and or shuffle through their charts from another airport while they should be preparing for the approach, looking for traffic and maintaining situational awareness in a mountainous area. We have experienced this twice in the past 60 days once in VFR and once in IFR conditions en route to aeg. During the IFR arrival and approach, because we had to spend so much time complying with this clearance we were not able to monitor the aeg CTAF and as a result once we broke out and were cleared for the visual, we had to circle until we could locate the 3 aircraft in the pattern and safely sequence ourselves. We have had this happen in the phoenix, az area when our destination was dvt (deer valley). Again center and approach are assigning a STAR for phx during a high workload portion of the flight. Please tell me whether this is allowed in the ATC manual and who can we talk with to have this practice discontinued.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C500 ARRIVING AEG RECEIVES STAR PUBLISHED FOR ABQ.
Narrative: ALBUQUERQUE CENTER AND APCH ARE ASSIGNING STARS FOR ABQ TO ACFT HEADING TO OTHER ARPTS INCLUDING AEG (DOUBLE EAGLE). UNLIKE IN MANY AREAS WHERE MORE THAN ONE ARPT IS SERVED BY THE SAME STAR, AEG IS NOT SERVED BY THESE PROCS. THEREFORE TO FOLLOW THE CLRNC YOU MUST CHANGE THE DESTINATION IN YOUR BOX TO ACCESS THE STAR AND THEN CHANGE IT BACK AGAIN TO NAVIGATE TO THE DESTINATION ARPT. THIS CREATES A VERY HIGH WORKLOAD DURING A CRITICAL PORTION OF THE FLT. IT ALSO REDUCES SIT AWARENESS SINCE THE STAR DEPICTION FOR THE 'PHANTOM ARPT' MAY OR MAY NOT SHOW YOUR ACTUAL DESTINATION ARPT. THE SAME GOES FOR USING PAPER CHARTS. SINCE THE PROC IS NOT AUTHORIZED FOR AEG IT IS NOT IN THE CHARTS FOR AEG. STARS AND SIDS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH ARPTS. FOR ATC TO ASSIGN A PROC FROM ANOTHER ARPT MAKES NO SENSE. THEY COULD EASILY ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING BY ASSIGNING A COUPLE OF INTERSECTIONS OR THEY COULD HAVE THE FAA ADD THESE STARS TO AEG. WHAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY DOING IS FORCING THE FLT CREW TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME REPROGRAMMING THEIR BOX AND OR SHUFFLE THROUGH THEIR CHARTS FROM ANOTHER ARPT WHILE THEY SHOULD BE PREPARING FOR THE APCH, LOOKING FOR TFC AND MAINTAINING SITUATIONAL AWARENESS IN A MOUNTAINOUS AREA. WE HAVE EXPERIENCED THIS TWICE IN THE PAST 60 DAYS ONCE IN VFR AND ONCE IN IFR CONDITIONS ENRTE TO AEG. DURING THE IFR ARR AND APCH, BECAUSE WE HAD TO SPEND SO MUCH TIME COMPLYING WITH THIS CLRNC WE WERE NOT ABLE TO MONITOR THE AEG CTAF AND AS A RESULT ONCE WE BROKE OUT AND WERE CLRED FOR THE VISUAL, WE HAD TO CIRCLE UNTIL WE COULD LOCATE THE 3 ACFT IN THE PATTERN AND SAFELY SEQUENCE OURSELVES. WE HAVE HAD THIS HAPPEN IN THE PHOENIX, AZ AREA WHEN OUR DESTINATION WAS DVT (DEER VALLEY). AGAIN CENTER AND APCH ARE ASSIGNING A STAR FOR PHX DURING A HIGH WORKLOAD PORTION OF THE FLT. PLEASE TELL ME WHETHER THIS IS ALLOWED IN THE ATC MANUAL AND WHO CAN WE TALK WITH TO HAVE THIS PRACTICE DISCONTINUED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.