Lahso procedures questioned by an air carrier pilot arriving on runway 27R at ord, il.

Attributes
ACN	567943
Time
Date	200212
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	airport : ord.airport
State Reference	IL
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : ord.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	landing : roll
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Controlling Facilities	tower : ord.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Flight Phase	landing : hold short
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 8700
ASRS Report	567943
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure non adherence : company policies other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	other
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance Company
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

Our operations manual prohibits lahso operations. I don't accept clrncs to land and hold short of another runway. Passive lahso was a gray area up until recently. Ord ATIS stated that aircraft unable/unwilling to participate in lahso should notify approach as such on initial contact. Does this mean all aircraft? Does this mean air carrier aircraft without a 'LOA' permitting lahso? To what degree, if any, is any controling authority/authorized familiar/aware of restrs per operations specifications? Does a lahso restr include both active and passive participation? On a beautiful, clear night, we were cleared for a visual approach to runway 27R at O'hare. Contacting tower near the FAF, we were cleared to land, and told that traffic landing on runway 22R would hold short of our runway. Based on excellent prevailing conditions and not being asked to hold short of any runway, I accepted the clearance to land. We landed, and turned off short of runway 22R anyway, and the orderly chaos that is O'hare on a busy evening continued without pause. Upon asking for clarification on this issue from our resident lahso 'guru,' she informed me (to paraphrase): 'any lahso is bad lahso.' starting today, I will inform atl on initial contact we are unable to accept any form of lahso, and decline any subsequent clearance containing the words '...land and hold short.'

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: LAHSO PROCS QUESTIONED BY AN ACR PLT ARRIVING ON RWY 27R AT ORD, IL.

Narrative: OUR OPS MANUAL PROHIBITS LAHSO OPS. I DON'T ACCEPT CLRNCS TO LAND AND HOLD SHORT OF ANOTHER RWY. PASSIVE LAHSO WAS A GRAY AREA UP UNTIL RECENTLY. ORD ATIS STATED THAT ACFT UNABLE/UNWILLING TO PARTICIPATE IN LAHSO SHOULD NOTIFY APCH AS SUCH ON INITIAL CONTACT. DOES THIS MEAN ALL ACFT? DOES THIS MEAN ACR ACFT WITHOUT A 'LOA' PERMITTING LAHSO? TO WHAT DEGREE, IF ANY, IS ANY CTLING AUTH FAMILIAR/AWARE OF RESTRS PER OPS SPECS? DOES A LAHSO RESTR INCLUDE BOTH ACTIVE AND PASSIVE PARTICIPATION? ON A BEAUTIFUL, CLR NIGHT, WE WERE CLRED FOR A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 27R AT O'HARE. CONTACTING TWR NEAR THE FAF, WE WERE CLRED TO LAND, AND TOLD THAT TFC LNDG ON RWY 22R WOULD HOLD SHORT OF OUR RWY. BASED ON EXCELLENT PREVAILING CONDITIONS AND NOT BEING ASKED TO HOLD SHORT OF ANY RWY, I ACCEPTED THE CLRNC TO LAND. WE LANDED, AND TURNED OFF SHORT OF RWY 22R ANYWAY, AND THE ORDERLY CHAOS THAT IS O'HARE ON A BUSY EVENING CONTINUED WITHOUT PAUSE. UPON ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION ON THIS ISSUE FROM OUR RESIDENT LAHSO 'GURU,' SHE INFORMED ME (TO PARAPHRASE): 'ANY LAHSO IS BAD LAHSO.' STARTING TODAY, I WILL INFORM ATL ON INITIAL CONTACT WE ARE UNABLE TO ACCEPT ANY FORM OF LAHSO, AND DECLINE ANY SUBSEQUENT CLRNC CONTAINING THE WORDS '...LAND AND HOLD SHORT.'

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.