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Beech 400 flight crew stopped past runway hold short line due to unfamiliarity with the airport and the distance the hold short lines were from the approach end of the runway.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 562981 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200210 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : det.airport |
| State Reference | MI |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Marginal |
| Light | Dawn |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Beechjet 400 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 1800 |
| ASRS Report | 562981 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airport Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
While taxiing to runway 33 from the FBO ramp we were conducting checklist items promptly due to the short taxi. As we neared the runway 33 approach signs I questioned the first officer if that was our runway hold point as it seemed quite far from the actual runway. The first officer stated (after consulting the approach chart) that the taxiway continued straight and did not actually intersect the white lights for runway 33 ahead and we should continue. As we began to cross the hold lines I realized that it was the runway 33 hold short lines and stopped the aircraft. At this time the tower stated that we appeared to be over the hold line. Due to the short taxi, dark conditions, and somewhat confusing layout of the hold point, this would be a good place to have runway guard lights, a stop bar or even a sign.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: BEECH 400 FLC STOPPED PAST RWY HOLD SHORT LINE DUE TO UNFAMILIARITY WITH THE ARPT AND THE DISTANCE THE HOLD SHORT LINES WERE FROM THE APCH END OF THE RWY.
Narrative: WHILE TAXIING TO RWY 33 FROM THE FBO RAMP WE WERE CONDUCTING CHKLIST ITEMS PROMPTLY DUE TO THE SHORT TAXI. AS WE NEARED THE RWY 33 APCH SIGNS I QUESTIONED THE FO IF THAT WAS OUR RWY HOLD POINT AS IT SEEMED QUITE FAR FROM THE ACTUAL RWY. THE FO STATED (AFTER CONSULTING THE APCH CHART) THAT THE TXWY CONTINUED STRAIGHT AND DID NOT ACTUALLY INTERSECT THE WHITE LIGHTS FOR RWY 33 AHEAD AND WE SHOULD CONTINUE. AS WE BEGAN TO CROSS THE HOLD LINES I REALIZED THAT IT WAS THE RWY 33 HOLD SHORT LINES AND STOPPED THE ACFT. AT THIS TIME THE TWR STATED THAT WE APPEARED TO BE OVER THE HOLD LINE. DUE TO THE SHORT TAXI, DARK CONDITIONS, AND SOMEWHAT CONFUSING LAYOUT OF THE HOLD POINT, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO HAVE RWY GUARD LIGHTS, A STOP BAR OR EVEN A SIGN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.