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Possible runway incursion when the PIC of a DC9 feels that his wingtip is over the hold short line for runway 30R at ZZZ, us.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 556958 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200208 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
| State Reference | US |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : zzz.tower |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Flight Phase | landing : roll |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 165 flight time total : 10700 flight time type : 1850 |
| ASRS Report | 556958 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : far other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airport Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Airport |
Narrative:
We received taxi clearance as follows: 'cleared to runway 30L via runway 22L, txwys P, G, hold short of runway 30R.' this was not an easy taxi route, because you taxi on a runway, then off, and must negotiate around a construction area close to where taxiway P intersects runway 30R. As we neared the hold short point at taxiway P and runway 30R, I noted an airplane landing on runway 30R, then realized that because the taxi line was rerouted around the construction, a part of the right wing may have been across the hold short line, which technically would be a runway incursion. At that point, I couldn't see the right wing, and can't verify if it was or wasn't over the line. We received clearance to taxi across runway 30R after traffic cleared. The ground controller didn't seem upset, but I was because I ended up short of runway 30R, but in a position I really did not want to be in.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: POSSIBLE RWY INCURSION WHEN THE PIC OF A DC9 FEELS THAT HIS WINGTIP IS OVER THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 30R AT ZZZ, US.
Narrative: WE RECEIVED TAXI CLRNC AS FOLLOWS: 'CLRED TO RWY 30L VIA RWY 22L, TXWYS P, G, HOLD SHORT OF RWY 30R.' THIS WAS NOT AN EASY TAXI RTE, BECAUSE YOU TAXI ON A RWY, THEN OFF, AND MUST NEGOTIATE AROUND A CONSTRUCTION AREA CLOSE TO WHERE TXWY P INTERSECTS RWY 30R. AS WE NEARED THE HOLD SHORT POINT AT TXWY P AND RWY 30R, I NOTED AN AIRPLANE LNDG ON RWY 30R, THEN REALIZED THAT BECAUSE THE TAXI LINE WAS REROUTED AROUND THE CONSTRUCTION, A PART OF THE R WING MAY HAVE BEEN ACROSS THE HOLD SHORT LINE, WHICH TECHNICALLY WOULD BE A RWY INCURSION. AT THAT POINT, I COULDN'T SEE THE R WING, AND CAN'T VERIFY IF IT WAS OR WASN'T OVER THE LINE. WE RECEIVED CLRNC TO TAXI ACROSS RWY 30R AFTER TFC CLRED. THE GND CTLR DIDN'T SEEM UPSET, BUT I WAS BECAUSE I ENDED UP SHORT OF RWY 30R, BUT IN A POSITION I REALLY DID NOT WANT TO BE IN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.