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Aviation Safety Reporting System
|Local Time Of Day||0601 To 1200|
|Locale Reference||airport : swf.airport|
|Altitude||agl single value : 0|
|Operator||common carrier : air carrier|
|Make Model Name||B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model|
|Operating Under FAR Part||Part 121|
|Flight Phase||ground : taxi|
|Affiliation||company : air carrier|
|Function||flight crew : first officer|
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
pilot : flight engineer
pilot : multi engine
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 50|
flight time total : 6500
flight time type : 50
|Affiliation||company : air carrier|
|Function||flight crew : captain|
oversight : pic
|Anomaly||non adherence : published procedure|
|Independent Detector||other controllerb|
other flight crewa
|Resolutory Action||none taken : detected after the fact|
|Consequence||faa : reviewed incident with flight crew|
Flight Crew Human Performance
ATC Human Performance
|Primary Problem||ATC Human Performance|
Our B727 was ready for taxi after pushback and engine start on taxiway left, holding just short of runway 9/27. Company supplied information included a caution for this airport 'assure positive ATC clearance to cross runway 27 at taxiway left prior to taxiing from the ramp area.' after my standard call for taxi, ground control responded, 'air carrier X cleared to taxi runway 9 via txwys left, A2, a to runway 9.' to which I responded, 'air carrier X is cleared to runway 9 via txwys left, A2, a...understand cleared to cross runway 9/27.' there was no other movement on the airport. No other aircraft was talking to ground. We taxied across runway 9/27 after clearing both directions and began our pre-takeoff checks. The ground controller then asked us to call him on land line and he gave us a number to call. The captain called the tower which accused us of a runway incursion. We reiterated our response to his instructions that we were cleared to cross, at that he made what we thought was garbled response of 'roger.' he admitted that he had not listened closely to our readback. The crew felt as if we were baited into this incursion. We read back what we believed we were cleared to cross because there can be confusion since we pushed back so close to the hold short. Why give us the taxi instructions if he wanted us to hold short. Why not say 'hold short.' the scary aspect of this incident was that we had read back the caution and still got mislead by the tower. I flew on this same pairing the next 2 days and both myself and a different ground controller were much more definitive.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A PERCEIVED RWY INCURSION AT SWF, NY.
Narrative: OUR B727 WAS READY FOR TAXI AFTER PUSHBACK AND ENG START ON TXWY L, HOLDING JUST SHORT OF RWY 9/27. COMPANY SUPPLIED INFO INCLUDED A CAUTION FOR THIS ARPT 'ASSURE POSITIVE ATC CLRNC TO CROSS RWY 27 AT TXWY L PRIOR TO TAXIING FROM THE RAMP AREA.' AFTER MY STANDARD CALL FOR TAXI, GND CTL RESPONDED, 'ACR X CLRED TO TAXI RWY 9 VIA TXWYS L, A2, A TO RWY 9.' TO WHICH I RESPONDED, 'ACR X IS CLRED TO RWY 9 VIA TXWYS L, A2, A...UNDERSTAND CLRED TO CROSS RWY 9/27.' THERE WAS NO OTHER MOVEMENT ON THE ARPT. NO OTHER ACFT WAS TALKING TO GND. WE TAXIED ACROSS RWY 9/27 AFTER CLRING BOTH DIRECTIONS AND BEGAN OUR PRE-TKOF CHKS. THE GND CTLR THEN ASKED US TO CALL HIM ON LAND LINE AND HE GAVE US A NUMBER TO CALL. THE CAPT CALLED THE TWR WHICH ACCUSED US OF A RWY INCURSION. WE REITERATED OUR RESPONSE TO HIS INSTRUCTIONS THAT WE WERE CLRED TO CROSS, AT THAT HE MADE WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS GARBLED RESPONSE OF 'ROGER.' HE ADMITTED THAT HE HAD NOT LISTENED CLOSELY TO OUR READBACK. THE CREW FELT AS IF WE WERE BAITED INTO THIS INCURSION. WE READ BACK WHAT WE BELIEVED WE WERE CLRED TO CROSS BECAUSE THERE CAN BE CONFUSION SINCE WE PUSHED BACK SO CLOSE TO THE HOLD SHORT. WHY GIVE US THE TAXI INSTRUCTIONS IF HE WANTED US TO HOLD SHORT. WHY NOT SAY 'HOLD SHORT.' THE SCARY ASPECT OF THIS INCIDENT WAS THAT WE HAD READ BACK THE CAUTION AND STILL GOT MISLEAD BY THE TWR. I FLEW ON THIS SAME PAIRING THE NEXT 2 DAYS AND BOTH MYSELF AND A DIFFERENT GND CTLR WERE MUCH MORE DEFINITIVE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.