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Piper PA28 pilot inadvertently climbed into class B airspace during a flight review conducted beneath the class B airspace.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 545426 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200204 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : ocn.vortac |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 6800 msl bound upper : 7300 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : vacating altitude |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | instruction : instructor |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 8 flight time total : 13300 flight time type : 783 |
| ASRS Report | 545426 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : gps non. equip other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : exited penetrated airspace |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was conducting a flight review in a PA28TR. We departed crq with the cloud cover being 2800 ft broken, top of broken at 5000 ft. We there were cumulus build-ups in all quadrants and during the flight were making numerous heading changes to maintain VFR. At the time of the class B penetration, the pilot was demonstrating takeoff and departure (power-on) stalls. We started at 6000 ft MSL and, during the climb, the aircraft stalled at 7300 ft MSL. At that location, the class B airspace is 100/68 and I was conducting the flight under class B airspace. In the climb, the rate of climb was more than I expected (the aircraft was turbocharged). As the aircraft stalled, I observed the GPS and it indicated that we were in class B airspace. We immediately departed the class B airspace by descending and changing heading to 360 degrees. I feel that the cause was lack of positional and altitude awareness. I have been flight instructing in the lax/san area for 41 yrs, so I'm not a stranger to the airspace in the area. I do feel that the airspace restrs have been added to and changed over the yrs and it is too complex. I feel that the FAA should start over with a 'clean piece of paper' and make the airspace more user friendly.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PIPER PA28 PLT INADVERTENTLY CLBED INTO CLASS B AIRSPACE DURING A FLT REVIEW CONDUCTED BENEATH THE CLASS B AIRSPACE.
Narrative: I WAS CONDUCTING A FLT REVIEW IN A PA28TR. WE DEPARTED CRQ WITH THE CLOUD COVER BEING 2800 FT BROKEN, TOP OF BROKEN AT 5000 FT. WE THERE WERE CUMULUS BUILD-UPS IN ALL QUADRANTS AND DURING THE FLT WERE MAKING NUMEROUS HDG CHANGES TO MAINTAIN VFR. AT THE TIME OF THE CLASS B PENETRATION, THE PLT WAS DEMONSTRATING TKOF AND DEP (PWR-ON) STALLS. WE STARTED AT 6000 FT MSL AND, DURING THE CLB, THE ACFT STALLED AT 7300 FT MSL. AT THAT LOCATION, THE CLASS B AIRSPACE IS 100/68 AND I WAS CONDUCTING THE FLT UNDER CLASS B AIRSPACE. IN THE CLB, THE RATE OF CLB WAS MORE THAN I EXPECTED (THE ACFT WAS TURBOCHARGED). AS THE ACFT STALLED, I OBSERVED THE GPS AND IT INDICATED THAT WE WERE IN CLASS B AIRSPACE. WE IMMEDIATELY DEPARTED THE CLASS B AIRSPACE BY DSNDING AND CHANGING HDG TO 360 DEGS. I FEEL THAT THE CAUSE WAS LACK OF POSITIONAL AND ALT AWARENESS. I HAVE BEEN FLT INSTRUCTING IN THE LAX/SAN AREA FOR 41 YRS, SO I'M NOT A STRANGER TO THE AIRSPACE IN THE AREA. I DO FEEL THAT THE AIRSPACE RESTRS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO AND CHANGED OVER THE YRS AND IT IS TOO COMPLEX. I FEEL THAT THE FAA SHOULD START OVER WITH A 'CLEAN PIECE OF PAPER' AND MAKE THE AIRSPACE MORE USER FRIENDLY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.