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Small aircraft instructor and student, and a learjet had less than comfortable separation in N90 class east.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 541536 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200203 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : frg.airport |
| State Reference | NY |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon tower : frg.tower |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | Cessna 152 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Gates Learjet Corp Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | instruction : instructor |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 850 flight time type : 150 |
| ASRS Report | 541536 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | instruction : trainee |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe conflict : airborne critical other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 600 vertical : 0 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
After departing frg en route to bridgeport ct, my student and I leveled off at 3000 ft navigating VFR to our first check point which was north port stacks. 1 mi south of the north port stacks my student and I saw a learjet coming from the north at 3000 ft directly at us. Suspecting the lear pilot did not see us on TCASII I asked frg tower if they had us on their brites radar. They did not. Ny approach on 118.00 did not have us either. We returned to frg and grounded the airplane for inoperative transponder.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA INSTRUCTOR AND STUDENT, AND A LEARJET HAD LESS THAN COMFORTABLE SEPARATION IN N90 CLASS E.
Narrative: AFTER DEPARTING FRG ENRTE TO BRIDGEPORT CT, MY STUDENT AND I LEVELED OFF AT 3000 FT NAVING VFR TO OUR FIRST CHK POINT WHICH WAS N PORT STACKS. 1 MI S OF THE N PORT STACKS MY STUDENT AND I SAW A LEARJET COMING FROM THE N AT 3000 FT DIRECTLY AT US. SUSPECTING THE LEAR PLT DID NOT SEE US ON TCASII I ASKED FRG TWR IF THEY HAD US ON THEIR BRITES RADAR. THEY DID NOT. NY APCH ON 118.00 DID NOT HAVE US EITHER. WE RETURNED TO FRG AND GNDED THE AIRPLANE FOR INOP XPONDER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.