Narrative:

I am an FAA inspector. I've recently given 709 rides in which the pilot failed to cross the hold line when clearing the runway. The reason both times was 'their instructor told them to stop there.' the north runway at sus does have lines painted in such a way that it is necessary to block the parallel taxiway if you clear the runway and cross the hold line. I saw a need for CFI education, but before taking on that task, I called sus tower to talk to the controller. He told me such things as 'we clear for takeoff when the other aircraft is off the runway.' however, to him, 'off the runway' meant off the physical runway -- not off and clear. He said he didn't care where the airplane stopped once it got off 'the runway,' which to him did not include the safety zone inside the hold lines. I talked to a region runway incursion specialist about this ATC conversation and he said 'we still have a lot of educating to do.' I'm just stunned that something so linked with runway incursions could not be fully understood by all, including and especially ATC.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: AN FAA INSPECTOR DISCOVERS THAT CHECKEES FAILED TO CLR THE RWY, NOT CROSSING THE HOLD LINE, APPARENTLY FOLLOWING CFI INSTRUCTIONS NOT TO BLOCK THE PARALLEL TXWY. THE CTLR CONSIDERED THE EXITING ACFT WAS 'CLR OF RWY' WHEN NOT BEYOND THE HOLD SHORT LINES.

Narrative: I AM AN FAA INSPECTOR. I'VE RECENTLY GIVEN 709 RIDES IN WHICH THE PLT FAILED TO CROSS THE HOLD LINE WHEN CLRING THE RWY. THE REASON BOTH TIMES WAS 'THEIR INSTRUCTOR TOLD THEM TO STOP THERE.' THE N RWY AT SUS DOES HAVE LINES PAINTED IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT IS NECESSARY TO BLOCK THE PARALLEL TXWY IF YOU CLR THE RWY AND CROSS THE HOLD LINE. I SAW A NEED FOR CFI EDUCATION, BUT BEFORE TAKING ON THAT TASK, I CALLED SUS TWR TO TALK TO THE CTLR. HE TOLD ME SUCH THINGS AS 'WE CLR FOR TKOF WHEN THE OTHER ACFT IS OFF THE RWY.' HOWEVER, TO HIM, 'OFF THE RWY' MEANT OFF THE PHYSICAL RWY -- NOT OFF AND CLR. HE SAID HE DIDN'T CARE WHERE THE AIRPLANE STOPPED ONCE IT GOT OFF 'THE RWY,' WHICH TO HIM DID NOT INCLUDE THE SAFETY ZONE INSIDE THE HOLD LINES. I TALKED TO A REGION RWY INCURSION SPECIALIST ABOUT THIS ATC CONVERSATION AND HE SAID 'WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF EDUCATING TO DO.' I'M JUST STUNNED THAT SOMETHING SO LINKED WITH RWY INCURSIONS COULD NOT BE FULLY UNDERSTOOD BY ALL, INCLUDING AND ESPECIALLY ATC.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.