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MD88 PIC is critical of approach controller's communication procedures when he is later challenged on a speed deviation by the second approach controller at atl, GA.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 539132 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200202 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : atl.airport |
| State Reference | GA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 10000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-88 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : private pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 2500 |
| ASRS Report | 539132 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
This approach controller used the technique whereby you say something on the radio, he talks to 1 or 2 others and then answers your transmission. With this in mind the following occurred. Approach said, 'XXXX slow to 210 KTS.' I said 'call sign blocked.' he said something to someone else and then said 'air carrier (flight number) descend to 6000 ft (I think) and slow to 210.' because of the disjointed manner in which the controller managed his frequency, we figured that was the answer to 'call sign blocked.' later we were switched to the next controller. He eventually asked our speed and I answered '250 KTS.' he said 'you should be at 210 KTS.' I said 'airline's new call sign, slowing to 210 KTS.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD88 PIC IS CRITICAL OF APCH CTLR'S COM PROCS WHEN HE IS LATER CHALLENGED ON A SPD DEV BY THE SECOND APCH CTLR AT ATL, GA.
Narrative: THIS APCH CTLR USED THE TECHNIQUE WHEREBY YOU SAY SOMETHING ON THE RADIO, HE TALKS TO 1 OR 2 OTHERS AND THEN ANSWERS YOUR XMISSION. WITH THIS IN MIND THE FOLLOWING OCCURRED. APCH SAID, 'XXXX SLOW TO 210 KTS.' I SAID 'CALL SIGN BLOCKED.' HE SAID SOMETHING TO SOMEONE ELSE AND THEN SAID 'ACR (FLT NUMBER) DSND TO 6000 FT (I THINK) AND SLOW TO 210.' BECAUSE OF THE DISJOINTED MANNER IN WHICH THE CTLR MANAGED HIS FREQ, WE FIGURED THAT WAS THE ANSWER TO 'CALL SIGN BLOCKED.' LATER WE WERE SWITCHED TO THE NEXT CTLR. HE EVENTUALLY ASKED OUR SPD AND I ANSWERED '250 KTS.' HE SAID 'YOU SHOULD BE AT 210 KTS.' I SAID 'AIRLINE'S NEW CALL SIGN, SLOWING TO 210 KTS.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.