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DC9 flight crew are held 30 mins by ground control before being cleared on to taxi during taxi out causing blockage to vehicle traffic on the service road intersection over which they were held.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 538878 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200202 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : jfk.airport |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Weather Elements | Fog |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding ground : parked ground : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 4800 flight time type : 2500 |
| ASRS Report | 538878 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 1000 |
| ASRS Report | 539718 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe ground encounters : vehicle ground encounters other inflight encounter : weather other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
| Consequence | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Weather Environmental Factor Airport ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Cleared by iat port authority/authorized to taxi to designated spot and contact ground control, approaching spot switched to ground control and contacted them. Ground said to hold there and shut down as it would be 30 mins before we can go. Captain stopped aircraft short of taxiway a but on the road used by ground vehicle traffic. This effectively stopped xsit of vehicle traffic on the road. None of this was unsafe but it generated a power struggle between ground and iat port. Supplemental information from acn 539718: we told ground where we were at, twice and they told us to expect 30 mins delay. We called the ramp and also told them that ground control was holding us there. Received several hand gestures from ny port authority/authorized employees in their vehicles and they weren't happy. Visibility at the time was down to 1/16TH of a mi.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DC9 FLC ARE HELD 30 MINS BY GND CTL BEFORE BEING CLRED ON TO TAXI DURING TAXI OUT CAUSING BLOCKAGE TO VEHICLE TFC ON THE SVC ROAD INTXN OVER WHICH THEY WERE HELD.
Narrative: CLRED BY IAT PORT AUTH TO TAXI TO DESIGNATED SPOT AND CONTACT GND CTL, APCHING SPOT SWITCHED TO GND CTL AND CONTACTED THEM. GND SAID TO HOLD THERE AND SHUT DOWN AS IT WOULD BE 30 MINS BEFORE WE CAN GO. CAPT STOPPED ACFT SHORT OF TXWY A BUT ON THE ROAD USED BY GND VEHICLE TFC. THIS EFFECTIVELY STOPPED XSIT OF VEHICLE TFC ON THE ROAD. NONE OF THIS WAS UNSAFE BUT IT GENERATED A PWR STRUGGLE BTWN GND AND IAT PORT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 539718: WE TOLD GND WHERE WE WERE AT, TWICE AND THEY TOLD US TO EXPECT 30 MINS DELAY. WE CALLED THE RAMP AND ALSO TOLD THEM THAT GND CTL WAS HOLDING US THERE. RECEIVED SEVERAL HAND GESTURES FROM NY PORT AUTH EMPLOYEES IN THEIR VEHICLES AND THEY WEREN'T HAPPY. VISIBILITY AT THE TIME WAS DOWN TO 1/16TH OF A MI.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.