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A BE40 cpr PIC complains of traffic spacing problems created by cle approach controller that was contributory to his altitude deviation prior to making a visual approach into cgf, oh.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 537713 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200202 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : cgf.airport |
| State Reference | OH |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 2700 msl bound upper : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : cle.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Beechjet 400 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual approach : instrument precision |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : cle.tracon |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 80 flight time total : 7850 flight time type : 850 |
| ASRS Report | 537713 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
While descending toward cgf airport (cuyahoga county, oh), approach said to expect visual and we would be #2 following a citation coming from the south (we were approaching from the east). Approach told us to turn to a heading to intercept the localizer (about 7 mi) and to look for the traffic on left downwind. We thought this would not work and asked. They said we were #2. While looking for the traffic and trying to figure if the spacing would work, I looked at our altitude. It was 2700 ft, our last assigned was 3000 ft. I immediately climbed to 3000 ft and approach said nothing, but they apologized for the spacing and cleared us for the visual. We did a right descending turn for the runway. While being vectored to follow traffic, we knew the spacing would not work. This brought us within 4 mi of final and required us to look for traffic, stay on the localizer and wonder how we would be able to land. Another aircraft that landed after us also complained of ATC vectoring.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A BE40 CPR PIC COMPLAINS OF TFC SPACING PROBS CREATED BY CLE APCH CTLR THAT WAS CONTRIBUTORY TO HIS ALTDEV PRIOR TO MAKING A VISUAL APCH INTO CGF, OH.
Narrative: WHILE DSNDING TOWARD CGF ARPT (CUYAHOGA COUNTY, OH), APCH SAID TO EXPECT VISUAL AND WE WOULD BE #2 FOLLOWING A CITATION COMING FROM THE S (WE WERE APCHING FROM THE E). APCH TOLD US TO TURN TO A HEADING TO INTERCEPT THE LOC (ABOUT 7 MI) AND TO LOOK FOR THE TFC ON L DOWNWIND. WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD NOT WORK AND ASKED. THEY SAID WE WERE #2. WHILE LOOKING FOR THE TFC AND TRYING TO FIGURE IF THE SPACING WOULD WORK, I LOOKED AT OUR ALT. IT WAS 2700 FT, OUR LAST ASSIGNED WAS 3000 FT. I IMMEDIATELY CLBED TO 3000 FT AND APCH SAID NOTHING, BUT THEY APOLOGIZED FOR THE SPACING AND CLRED US FOR THE VISUAL. WE DID A R DSNDING TURN FOR THE RWY. WHILE BEING VECTORED TO FOLLOW TFC, WE KNEW THE SPACING WOULD NOT WORK. THIS BROUGHT US WITHIN 4 MI OF FINAL AND REQUIRED US TO LOOK FOR TFC, STAY ON THE LOC AND WONDER HOW WE WOULD BE ABLE TO LAND. ANOTHER ACFT THAT LANDED AFTER US ALSO COMPLAINED OF ATC VECTORING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.