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|Local Time Of Day||1201 To 1800|
|Locale Reference||airport : 61b.airport|
|Altitude||msl bound lower : 7500|
msl bound upper : 12500
|Affiliation||government : faa|
|Function||controller : departure|
|Qualification||controller : radar|
|Experience||controller military : 11|
controller radar : 15
|Anomaly||airspace violation : entry|
conflict : airborne less severe
inflight encounter : skydivers
other anomaly other
|Independent Detector||other controllera|
|Resolutory Action||none taken : unable|
|Consequence||faa : investigated|
|Problem Areas||ATC Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Intra Facility Coordination Failure|
|ATC Facility||procedure or policy : l30.tracon|
|Airspace Structure||class e : las.e|
class g : las.g
Multiple air carrier's departing runway 7 at las. On this current runway confign landing departing runway 1 (primary arrival runway) departing runway 7 (primary departure runway). Aircraft departing runway 7 on the miney 1 and mccarren 1 departure fly over boulder city VOR (bld) climbing to 7000 ft initially. They depart in east departure's airspace, they talk to west departure. They enter west departure's airspace after about 20 flying miles. So they stay in east departure's airspace until they almost reach the vertical limits of east departure's airspace with ZLA. There is known skydiving operations daily at boulder city airport (61B). Bld 162 degree radial, 2.88 DME, which is in the flight path of the above mentioned departures. The skydive aircraft request 10500 ft through 12500 ft for their drop. Being that skydive is on east departure's frequency and these departures are on west departure's frequency, again these departures are in east departure's airspace. Many of us (the controllers) believe this is totally unsafe. Departures in one controller's airspace talking to another. When there are overflts in this area they talk to east departure. This creates a coordination nightmare. Many controllers working the floor, feel that is only a matter of time before there is an operational error. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter advised that the airspace reorganization is again under review. There is lots of finger pointing that has become counterproductive for both controller and supervisor. A national airspace work group has also become involved. Supplemental information: a specialist advised that the airspace implementation was not well handled. Efforts are underway to resolve issues and concerns.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: L30 CTLR CONCERNED WITH RECENT AIRSPACE AND DEP RTE CONFIGN THAT ALLOWS ANOTHER ACFT TO FLY THROUGH THE ADJOINING CTLR'S AIRSPACE WITH QUICK-LOOK FUNCTION ONLY.
Narrative: MULTIPLE ACR'S DEPARTING RWY 7 AT LAS. ON THIS CURRENT RWY CONFIGN LNDG DEPARTING RWY 1 (PRIMARY ARR RWY) DEPARTING RWY 7 (PRIMARY DEP RWY). ACFT DEPARTING RWY 7 ON THE MINEY 1 AND MCCARREN 1 DEP FLY OVER BOULDER CITY VOR (BLD) CLBING TO 7000 FT INITIALLY. THEY DEPART IN E DEP'S AIRSPACE, THEY TALK TO W DEP. THEY ENTER W DEP'S AIRSPACE AFTER ABOUT 20 FLYING MILES. SO THEY STAY IN E DEP'S AIRSPACE UNTIL THEY ALMOST REACH THE VERT LIMITS OF E DEP'S AIRSPACE WITH ZLA. THERE IS KNOWN SKYDIVING OPS DAILY AT BOULDER CITY ARPT (61B). BLD 162 DEG RADIAL, 2.88 DME, WHICH IS IN THE FLT PATH OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED DEPS. THE SKYDIVE ACFT REQUEST 10500 FT THROUGH 12500 FT FOR THEIR DROP. BEING THAT SKYDIVE IS ON E DEP'S FREQ AND THESE DEPS ARE ON W DEP'S FREQ, AGAIN THESE DEPS ARE IN E DEP'S AIRSPACE. MANY OF US (THE CTLRS) BELIEVE THIS IS TOTALLY UNSAFE. DEPS IN ONE CTLR'S AIRSPACE TALKING TO ANOTHER. WHEN THERE ARE OVERFLTS IN THIS AREA THEY TALK TO E DEP. THIS CREATES A COORD NIGHTMARE. MANY CTLRS WORKING THE FLOOR, FEEL THAT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THERE IS AN OPERROR. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR ADVISED THAT THE AIRSPACE REORGANIZATION IS AGAIN UNDER REVIEW. THERE IS LOTS OF FINGER POINTING THAT HAS BECOME COUNTERPRODUCTIVE FOR BOTH CTLR AND SUPVR. A NATIONAL AIRSPACE WORK GROUP HAS ALSO BECOME INVOLVED. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO: A SPECIALIST ADVISED THAT THE AIRSPACE IMPLEMENTATION WAS NOT WELL HANDLED. EFFORTS ARE UNDERWAY TO RESOLVE ISSUES AND CONCERNS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.