<< >> NASA ASRS Report 535089, January 2002

An air carrier crosses the hold short line for runway 23 at cyyz without clearance. Complains that it is in an illogical place.

Attributes
ACN	535089
Time
Date	200201
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : cyyz.airport
State Reference	ON
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	MD-80 Super 80
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : taxi ground : holding
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
ASRS Report	535089
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Events
Anomaly	incursion : taxiway non adherence : far
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Chart Or Publication Flight Crew Human Performance Airport
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Taxied to runway 23 on taxiway H. When I turned right onto taxiway Q, I saw a hold line located close to the taxiway H/Q intersection. I did not think this hold line was meant for aircraft using runway 23 full length for the following reasons: 1) it was close to taxiway H and I had at least a few hundred yards of taxiway that paralleled runway 23 before making a 90 degree left turn to the runway approach end. I expected the hold line to be after taxiway Q made the 90 degree left turn. 2) there was no runway sign near or close to the hold line. When I didn't see another hold line ahead, I stopped the aircraft while still parallel to the runway on taxiway Q. Tower then said I had gone past the hold line. After an aircraft landed on runway 23, I was cleared for takeoff runway 23 full length. I should have asked tower if the hold line I saw was meant for me before proceeding. We were busy briefing the departure, tps engine fail specific procedures for runway 23, and trying to get the current winds.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: AN ACR CROSSES THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 23 AT CYYZ WITHOUT CLRNC. COMPLAINS THAT IT IS IN AN ILLOGICAL PLACE.

Narrative: TAXIED TO RWY 23 ON TXWY H. WHEN I TURNED R ONTO TXWY Q, I SAW A HOLD LINE LOCATED CLOSE TO THE TXWY H/Q INTXN. I DID NOT THINK THIS HOLD LINE WAS MEANT FOR ACFT USING RWY 23 FULL LENGTH FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS: 1) IT WAS CLOSE TO TXWY H AND I HAD AT LEAST A FEW HUNDRED YARDS OF TXWY THAT PARALLELED RWY 23 BEFORE MAKING A 90 DEG L TURN TO THE RWY APCH END. I EXPECTED THE HOLD LINE TO BE AFTER TXWY Q MADE THE 90 DEG L TURN. 2) THERE WAS NO RWY SIGN NEAR OR CLOSE TO THE HOLD LINE. WHEN I DIDN'T SEE ANOTHER HOLD LINE AHEAD, I STOPPED THE ACFT WHILE STILL PARALLEL TO THE RWY ON TXWY Q. TWR THEN SAID I HAD GONE PAST THE HOLD LINE. AFTER AN ACFT LANDED ON RWY 23, I WAS CLRED FOR TKOF RWY 23 FULL LENGTH. I SHOULD HAVE ASKED TWR IF THE HOLD LINE I SAW WAS MEANT FOR ME BEFORE PROCEEDING. WE WERE BUSY BRIEFING THE DEP, TPS ENG FAIL SPECIFIC PROCS FOR RWY 23, AND TRYING TO GET THE CURRENT WINDS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.