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C210 instructor pilot had the D10 approach controller lecture him on the radio in dfw class east.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 530822 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200111 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | msl single value : 2500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Cessna 210 Centurion / Turbo Centurion 210C, 210D |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | ground : takeoff roll |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | instruction : instructor |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 1780 flight time type : 25 |
| ASRS Report | 530822 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 5 flight time total : 2500 flight time type : 2300 |
| ASRS Report | 530823 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact other |
| Consequence | faa : assigned or threatened penalties other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
I was on a training flight for an instrument proficiency check. The WX was VMC (severe clear, visibility unrestricted) and there were 3 VFR aircraft in the pattern at koto. ATC vectored us to the final approach course for the NDB 17 approach. The pattern was using runway 35 and that put us flying against the traffic flow. I saw traffic departing koto on runway 35, I instructed the pilot to turn right at pinck (OM) and reacquire the final approach course. This would give us sufficient spacing to continue the approach safely and not disturb the current VFR traffic at koto. We were in VMC, I felt it was my responsibility to see and avoid all traffic even though we were on a VFR flight plan. ATC had told us separation services were not available in the pattern. ATC was upset with my decision and proceeded to scold me on the air about pilot deviation. The flight safety was never in jeopardy and we completed the flight as planned.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C210 INSTRUCTOR PLT HAD THE D10 APCH CTLR LECTURE HIM ON THE RADIO IN DFW CLASS E.
Narrative: I WAS ON A TRAINING FLT FOR AN INSTRUMENT PROFICIENCY CHK. THE WX WAS VMC (SEVERE CLR, VISIBILITY UNRESTRICTED) AND THERE WERE 3 VFR ACFT IN THE PATTERN AT KOTO. ATC VECTORED US TO THE FINAL APCH COURSE FOR THE NDB 17 APCH. THE PATTERN WAS USING RWY 35 AND THAT PUT US FLYING AGAINST THE TFC FLOW. I SAW TFC DEPARTING KOTO ON RWY 35, I INSTRUCTED THE PLT TO TURN R AT PINCK (OM) AND REACQUIRE THE FINAL APCH COURSE. THIS WOULD GIVE US SUFFICIENT SPACING TO CONTINUE THE APCH SAFELY AND NOT DISTURB THE CURRENT VFR TFC AT KOTO. WE WERE IN VMC, I FELT IT WAS MY RESPONSIBILITY TO SEE AND AVOID ALL TFC EVEN THOUGH WE WERE ON A VFR FLT PLAN. ATC HAD TOLD US SEPARATION SERVICES WERE NOT AVAILABLE IN THE PATTERN. ATC WAS UPSET WITH MY DECISION AND PROCEEDED TO SCOLD ME ON THE AIR ABOUT PLT DEVIATION. THE FLT SAFETY WAS NEVER IN JEOPARDY AND WE COMPLETED THE FLT AS PLANNED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.