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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 530038 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200111 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| State Reference | TN |
| Altitude | msl single value : 8000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Weather Elements | other |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : tys.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Route In Use | enroute airway : v16.airway |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : private |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 350 flight time type : 300 |
| ASRS Report | 530038 |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | observation : passenger |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Tys approach asked, 'XXX, would you like to descend?' XXX: 'yes.' tys: 'XXX, start descent, expect #5 sdf into morristown.' XXX: 'descending out of 10000 ft, expect ....' I knew that terrain was a factor. I waited until I was at V16 and then started my descent at 500 FPM. At 7500 ft, ATC told me to climb immediately, as I was in an 8000 ft MVA. I did not receive a clearance for 8000 ft, nor did I acknowledge one. My passenger also remembered the question about descending and my lack of acknowledging an altitude. I believe the controller (who was very busy) should have had me acknowledge an altitude, if it was given. I will always ask for a target (cleared to) altitude in the future, if I don't receive one.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TYS APCH CTLR CHALLENGES PA28 PLT'S DSCNT TOWARDS TERRAIN.
Narrative: TYS APCH ASKED, 'XXX, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DSND?' XXX: 'YES.' TYS: 'XXX, START DSCNT, EXPECT #5 SDF INTO MORRISTOWN.' XXX: 'DSNDING OUT OF 10000 FT, EXPECT ....' I KNEW THAT TERRAIN WAS A FACTOR. I WAITED UNTIL I WAS AT V16 AND THEN STARTED MY DSCNT AT 500 FPM. AT 7500 FT, ATC TOLD ME TO CLB IMMEDIATELY, AS I WAS IN AN 8000 FT MVA. I DID NOT RECEIVE A CLRNC FOR 8000 FT, NOR DID I ACKNOWLEDGE ONE. MY PAX ALSO REMEMBERED THE QUESTION ABOUT DSNDING AND MY LACK OF ACKNOWLEDGING AN ALT. I BELIEVE THE CTLR (WHO WAS VERY BUSY) SHOULD HAVE HAD ME ACKNOWLEDGE AN ALT, IF IT WAS GIVEN. I WILL ALWAYS ASK FOR A TARGET (CLRED TO) ALT IN THE FUTURE, IF I DON'T RECEIVE ONE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.