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S80 lands at cyyz without a go around even though there appears less than standard separation from a departing B747.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 529879 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200111 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : cyyz.airport |
| State Reference | ON |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : cyyz.tower tower : stl.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : cyyz.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B747 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : takeoff roll |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 529878 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe ground encounters : fod inflight encounter : wake turbulence non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Environmental Factor ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
On a 4 mi final runway 5 cyyz, tower advised they would roll a B747 prior to our landing clearance. Less than 1 mi, cleared to land with B747 still on runway. At 200 ft experience moderate turbulence accompanied by wing roll. Also, a considerable amount of debris was airborne. On rollout, I advised tower that the separation was inadequate for this type of operation. The controller indicated that's what was being required by his supervisor. I called the tower and filed a complaint. I had considered a go around, however, due to the close proximity of B747, thought landing was more safe despite conditions. I thought the tower exercised poor judgement in separation. In my opinion this cramming caused an unsafe condition.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: S80 LANDS AT CYYZ WITHOUT A GAR EVEN THOUGH THERE APPEARS LTSS FROM A DEPARTING B747.
Narrative: ON A 4 MI FINAL RWY 5 CYYZ, TWR ADVISED THEY WOULD ROLL A B747 PRIOR TO OUR LNDG CLRNC. LESS THAN 1 MI, CLRED TO LAND WITH B747 STILL ON RWY. AT 200 FT EXPERIENCE MODERATE TURB ACCOMPANIED BY WING ROLL. ALSO, A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF DEBRIS WAS AIRBORNE. ON ROLLOUT, I ADVISED TWR THAT THE SEPARATION WAS INADEQUATE FOR THIS TYPE OF OP. THE CTLR INDICATED THAT'S WHAT WAS BEING REQUIRED BY HIS SUPVR. I CALLED THE TWR AND FILED A COMPLAINT. I HAD CONSIDERED A GAR, HOWEVER, DUE TO THE CLOSE PROX OF B747, THOUGHT LNDG WAS MORE SAFE DESPITE CONDITIONS. I THOUGHT THE TWR EXERCISED POOR JUDGEMENT IN SEPARATION. IN MY OPINION THIS CRAMMING CAUSED AN UNSAFE CONDITION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.