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Landing B737-400 flight crew question sfo local controller that crossing B767 is not clear of runway during landing roll.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 525916 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200108 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : sfo.airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Marginal |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : dvt.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737-400 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | landing : roll |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : sfo.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 1000 |
| ASRS Report | 525916 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe ground encounters other non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : amas other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 2000 vertical : 0 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airport Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Intra Facility Coordination Failure Operational Error |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : sfo.tower radar equipment : sfo.tower |
Narrative:
On arrival sfo runway 28L, B767 ahead 4 mi for runway 28R. After landing, B767 cleared to cross runway 28L, on short final, it appeared B767 may not have been clear of runway. Queried local controller and was advised the B767 was clear of the runway. On clearing runway 28L at taxiway east, we could clearly see that approximately 30-40 ft of B767 extended beyond the hold bar to the runway side. Advised ground control and was told the aircraft 'appeared' to be clear from ATCT, and that airport movement area system did not warn of conflict. Poor human factor operation and reliance on airport movement area system to provide warning.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LNDG B737-400 FLC QUESTION SFO LCL CTLR THAT XING B767 IS NOT CLR OF RWY DURING LNDG ROLL.
Narrative: ON ARR SFO RWY 28L, B767 AHEAD 4 MI FOR RWY 28R. AFTER LNDG, B767 CLRED TO CROSS RWY 28L, ON SHORT FINAL, IT APPEARED B767 MAY NOT HAVE BEEN CLR OF RWY. QUERIED LCL CTLR AND WAS ADVISED THE B767 WAS CLR OF THE RWY. ON CLRING RWY 28L AT TXWY E, WE COULD CLRLY SEE THAT APPROX 30-40 FT OF B767 EXTENDED BEYOND THE HOLD BAR TO THE RWY SIDE. ADVISED GND CTL AND WAS TOLD THE ACFT 'APPEARED' TO BE CLR FROM ATCT, AND THAT ARPT MOVEMENT AREA SYS DID NOT WARN OF CONFLICT. POOR HUMAN FACTOR OP AND RELIANCE ON ARPT MOVEMENT AREA SYS TO PROVIDE WARNING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.