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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 523940 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200109 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : sfo.airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 3500 msl bound upper : 4000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Skylane 182/RG Turbo Skylane/RG |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level cruise : enroute altitude change |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : o90.tracon |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | approach : instrument non precision arrival : on vectors |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 40 flight time total : 670 flight time type : 490 |
| ASRS Report | 523940 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | airspace violation : entry conflict : airborne less severe |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Airspace Structure |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
After departure from pao via a right dumbarton departure, I planned to climb to 3500 ft until beyond the sfo DME 20 circle then climb further in steps to avoid class B airspace. My route of flight was pao direct imply direct tcy (airport) direct fat. At approximately abeam kgo antennas, pao tower approved a frequency change. I then switched to listen to bay approach sector. I then heard a small plane somewhere near sunol setting up for a practice VOR approach to hwd. Bay approach had him stay near 3500 ft and vectored towards me. In order to avoid the aircraft I climbed to 3900 ft, just below sfo class B. My altimeter had been set at pao to 29.88. I realize it is not wise to get so close to class B floor without clearance, but felt that it was the safest place to be given the traffic. Bay approach called later to say that I may have violated class B airspace. My instruments say I did not. However, I still believe it was an unsafe situation. Bay approach told me that their MVA in that area is 4000 ft even beyond 20 DME where the class B floor is 6000 ft. The whole sector is an accident waiting to happen.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DEPARTING PAO WITH A PLAN TO AVOID SFO CLASS B A C182 PLT CLBS TOWARD THE CLASS B FLOOR TO AVOID TFC BEING VECTORED IN HIS DIRECTION BY APCH CTL. THE QUESTION WAS RAISED BY THE TRACON AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE CLASS B HAD BEEN ENTERED WITHOUT CLRNC.
Narrative: AFTER DEP FROM PAO VIA A R DUMBARTON DEP, I PLANNED TO CLB TO 3500 FT UNTIL BEYOND THE SFO DME 20 CIRCLE THEN CLB FURTHER IN STEPS TO AVOID CLASS B AIRSPACE. MY RTE OF FLT WAS PAO DIRECT IMPLY DIRECT TCY (ARPT) DIRECT FAT. AT APPROX ABEAM KGO ANTENNAS, PAO TWR APPROVED A FREQ CHANGE. I THEN SWITCHED TO LISTEN TO BAY APCH SECTOR. I THEN HEARD A SMALL PLANE SOMEWHERE NEAR SUNOL SETTING UP FOR A PRACTICE VOR APCH TO HWD. BAY APCH HAD HIM STAY NEAR 3500 FT AND VECTORED TOWARDS ME. IN ORDER TO AVOID THE ACFT I CLBED TO 3900 FT, JUST BELOW SFO CLASS B. MY ALTIMETER HAD BEEN SET AT PAO TO 29.88. I REALIZE IT IS NOT WISE TO GET SO CLOSE TO CLASS B FLOOR WITHOUT CLRNC, BUT FELT THAT IT WAS THE SAFEST PLACE TO BE GIVEN THE TFC. BAY APCH CALLED LATER TO SAY THAT I MAY HAVE VIOLATED CLASS B AIRSPACE. MY INSTS SAY I DID NOT. HOWEVER, I STILL BELIEVE IT WAS AN UNSAFE SIT. BAY APCH TOLD ME THAT THEIR MVA IN THAT AREA IS 4000 FT EVEN BEYOND 20 DME WHERE THE CLASS B FLOOR IS 6000 FT. THE WHOLE SECTOR IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.