<< >> NASA ASRS Report 520980, August 2001

Departure B737-300 flight crew gets into a dispute with departure controller on detouring thunderstorm activity in the area near den, co.

Attributes
ACN	520980
Time
Date	200108
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : d01.tracon
State Reference	CO
Altitude	msl single value : 10000
Environment
Flight Conditions	Mixed
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B737-300
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 17900 flight time type : 5841
ASRS Report	520980
Events
Anomaly	inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter other other anomaly other other spatial deviation
Resolutory Action	controller : issued alert other
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance Weather Airspace Structure Environmental Factor Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Weather
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Had thunderstorm ahead so we asked for right deviation and controller said ok to turn right then he came back after our 30 degree turn and said he only wanted 10 degrees maximum. We turned back left due east and he said if we didn't go through WX we could just go east for an eventual rerte. He tried same tactics with plane behind us and captain also refused to go into WX. Bottom line was, turn was approved and we accepted it but he changed his mind and then tried to blame us.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: DEP B737-300 FLT CREW GETS INTO A DISPUTE WITH DEP CTLR ON DETOURING TSTM ACTIVITY IN THE AREA NEAR DEN, CO.

Narrative: HAD TSTM AHEAD SO WE ASKED FOR R DEV AND CTLR SAID OK TO TURN R THEN HE CAME BACK AFTER OUR 30 DEG TURN AND SAID HE ONLY WANTED 10 DEGS MAX. WE TURNED BACK L DUE E AND HE SAID IF WE DIDN'T GO THROUGH WX WE COULD JUST GO E FOR AN EVENTUAL RERTE. HE TRIED SAME TACTICS WITH PLANE BEHIND US AND CAPT ALSO REFUSED TO GO INTO WX. BOTTOM LINE WAS, TURN WAS APPROVED AND WE ACCEPTED IT BUT HE CHANGED HIS MIND AND THEN TRIED TO BLAME US.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.