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B190 captain concerned with ZLA controller's response and attitude when questioned about approach vectoring.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 518985 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200107 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : glj.vor |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 6000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Weather Elements | other |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla.artcc |
| Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
| Make Model Name | Airliner 99 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
| Navigation In Use | other vortac |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air taxi |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 6015 flight time type : 495 |
| ASRS Report | 518985 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airport ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure |
Narrative:
After being cleared direct to the glj VOR, I was told to expect the ILS runway 12 approach into santa maria. The controller then began vectoring me for the approach. I asked if there was a reason for this. He stated that the reason was to help me get established on the final approach azimuth. I then asked for the full approach (teardrop procedure), which is faster, because there is no traffic ahead of me. He insisted on vectoring me, so I complied. Usually, we are cleared direct to guadalupe VOR and we either hold there and commence the approach from there. What bothered me was his poor attitude and less than professional conduct. On several occasions, this particular controller has caused problems by his lack of judgement and demeanor. I talked with the other pilots and we all agree that this person has a bad attitude and has caused unnecessary delays that tend to mushroom, and got progressively worse. I don't mind being vectored around, but a good reason for it works better than a weak excuse. If he wants to vector people around for no valid reason, he can go home and play ATC on his home computer.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B190 CAPT CONCERNED WITH ZLA CTLR'S RESPONSE AND ATTITUDE WHEN QUESTIONED ABOUT APCH VECTORING.
Narrative: AFTER BEING CLRED DIRECT TO THE GLJ VOR, I WAS TOLD TO EXPECT THE ILS RWY 12 APCH INTO SANTA MARIA. THE CTLR THEN BEGAN VECTORING ME FOR THE APCH. I ASKED IF THERE WAS A REASON FOR THIS. HE STATED THAT THE REASON WAS TO HELP ME GET ESTABLISHED ON THE FINAL APCH AZIMUTH. I THEN ASKED FOR THE FULL APCH (TEARDROP PROC), WHICH IS FASTER, BECAUSE THERE IS NO TFC AHEAD OF ME. HE INSISTED ON VECTORING ME, SO I COMPLIED. USUALLY, WE ARE CLRED DIRECT TO GUADALUPE VOR AND WE EITHER HOLD THERE AND COMMENCE THE APCH FROM THERE. WHAT BOTHERED ME WAS HIS POOR ATTITUDE AND LESS THAN PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT. ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, THIS PARTICULAR CTLR HAS CAUSED PROBS BY HIS LACK OF JUDGEMENT AND DEMEANOR. I TALKED WITH THE OTHER PLTS AND WE ALL AGREE THAT THIS PERSON HAS A BAD ATTITUDE AND HAS CAUSED UNNECESSARY DELAYS THAT TEND TO MUSHROOM, AND GOT PROGRESSIVELY WORSE. I DON'T MIND BEING VECTORED AROUND, BUT A GOOD REASON FOR IT WORKS BETTER THAN A WEAK EXCUSE. IF HE WANTS TO VECTOR PEOPLE AROUND FOR NO VALID REASON, HE CAN GO HOME AND PLAY ATC ON HIS HOME COMPUTER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.