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A B737-300 PIC report on a problematic procedure used by ATC in a traffic rerte after the flight leaves the gate at ord, il.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 518794 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200107 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ord.airport |
| State Reference | IL |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : d01.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737-300 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : pushback |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time type : 3554 |
| ASRS Report | 518794 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued advisory none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure |
| Primary Problem | Airspace Structure |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : ord.tower |
Narrative:
ATC rerte after pushback creates an unnecessary workload and can also create confusion. This is becoming a common occurrence by ATC and I feel it is going to lead to a safety issue. We were cleared to what we both thought was lnm on departure and read it back as such and even questioned the controller again. Then the next controller said we were actually cleared to odi. I think playing 'musical' clrncs is not good. Not to mention it plays havoc with the planning process, ie, fuel on long legs.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B737-300 PIC RPT ON A PROBLEMATIC PROC USED BY ATC IN A TFC RERTE AFTER THE FLT LEAVES THE GATE AT ORD, IL.
Narrative: ATC RERTE AFTER PUSHBACK CREATES AN UNNECESSARY WORKLOAD AND CAN ALSO CREATE CONFUSION. THIS IS BECOMING A COMMON OCCURRENCE BY ATC AND I FEEL IT IS GOING TO LEAD TO A SAFETY ISSUE. WE WERE CLRED TO WHAT WE BOTH THOUGHT WAS LNM ON DEP AND READ IT BACK AS SUCH AND EVEN QUESTIONED THE CTLR AGAIN. THEN THE NEXT CTLR SAID WE WERE ACTUALLY CLRED TO ODI. I THINK PLAYING 'MUSICAL' CLRNCS IS NOT GOOD. NOT TO MENTION IT PLAYS HAVOC WITH THE PLANNING PROCESS, IE, FUEL ON LONG LEGS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.