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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 517858 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200107 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 15700 msl bound upper : 16000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 500 |
| ASRS Report | 517858 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance non adherence : company policies non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Cleared for profile descent into lax. Captain selected flight level change and 8000 ft in MCP. 5 mi ahead, restr was 16000 ft or above. I asked captain if he had wanted flight level change or did he really want VNAV or MCP. He said he was ok with flight level change. Passing 16300 ft, I mentioned we still had 5 mi till we could go below 16000 ft. By the time the captain reacted, we had descended to 15700 ft and used vertical speed to correct to 16000 ft. Cause: incorrect msp setting for autoplt, and I should have just said what problem I thought was going to happen instead of trying to be politically correct.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A WDB CREW OVERSHOT A PUBLISHED RESTR ALT DSNDING INTO LAX.
Narrative: CLRED FOR PROFILE DSCNT INTO LAX. CAPT SELECTED FLT LEVEL CHANGE AND 8000 FT IN MCP. 5 MI AHEAD, RESTR WAS 16000 FT OR ABOVE. I ASKED CAPT IF HE HAD WANTED FLT LEVEL CHANGE OR DID HE REALLY WANT VNAV OR MCP. HE SAID HE WAS OK WITH FLT LEVEL CHANGE. PASSING 16300 FT, I MENTIONED WE STILL HAD 5 MI TILL WE COULD GO BELOW 16000 FT. BY THE TIME THE CAPT REACTED, WE HAD DSNDED TO 15700 FT AND USED VERT SPD TO CORRECT TO 16000 FT. CAUSE: INCORRECT MSP SETTING FOR AUTOPLT, AND I SHOULD HAVE JUST SAID WHAT PROB I THOUGHT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN INSTEAD OF TRYING TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.