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On taxi out, msp retracted a position and hold clearance with a hold short to a DC9 flight crew. After notification of nosewheel over hold short line, flight crew advised clear of threshold, allowing 2 additional lndgs.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 516518 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200107 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : msp.airport |
| State Reference | MN |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zoa.artcc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : msp.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | landing : roll |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 3500 |
| ASRS Report | 516518 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued advisory controller : separated traffic flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Cleared into position and hold on runway 12R from A-10 at XA05. After nosewheel had crossed the hold short line, tower instructed us to hold short of runway 12R. I stopped the aircraft immediately, however, we were southwest of the runway 12R hold short line, but clear of the runway 12R threshold. We immediately informed tower on 126.7 we had crossed the runway 12R hold short line. Tower asked us to verify we were clear of the runway 12R threshold. We did and we were. Msp tower 126.7 landed a company DC9 and B727 with our aircraft positioned beyond the runway 12R hold short line. We were then cleared for departure at XA11Z.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ON TAXI OUT, MSP RETRACTED A POS AND HOLD CLRNC WITH A HOLD SHORT TO A DC9 FLC. AFTER NOTIFICATION OF NOSEWHEEL OVER HOLD SHORT LINE, FLC ADVISED CLR OF THRESHOLD, ALLOWING 2 ADDITIONAL LNDGS.
Narrative: CLRED INTO POS AND HOLD ON RWY 12R FROM A-10 AT XA05. AFTER NOSEWHEEL HAD CROSSED THE HOLD SHORT LINE, TWR INSTRUCTED US TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 12R. I STOPPED THE ACFT IMMEDIATELY, HOWEVER, WE WERE SW OF THE RWY 12R HOLD SHORT LINE, BUT CLR OF THE RWY 12R THRESHOLD. WE IMMEDIATELY INFORMED TWR ON 126.7 WE HAD CROSSED THE RWY 12R HOLD SHORT LINE. TWR ASKED US TO VERIFY WE WERE CLR OF THE RWY 12R THRESHOLD. WE DID AND WE WERE. MSP TWR 126.7 LANDED A COMPANY DC9 AND B727 WITH OUR ACFT POSITIONED BEYOND THE RWY 12R HOLD SHORT LINE. WE WERE THEN CLRED FOR DEP AT XA11Z.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.