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ZFW controller and E145 pilot become involved in a discussion as to what type approach the pilot is really requesting.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 515268 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200105 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : mrf.vor |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | msl single value : 15000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zfw.artcc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | arrival star : vor rwy 16r |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller limited radar : 11 controller military : 0 controller non radar : 11 controller radar : 10 controller supervisory : 0 controller time certified in position1 : 2 controller time certified in position2 : 6 |
| ASRS Report | 515268 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Chart Or Publication FAA Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : zfw.artcc |
| Chart | airport : maf.airport approach : vor rwy 16r |
| Publication | JEPPESEN |
Narrative:
Pilot was asked which approach he was requesting. He responded 'VOR runway 16R.' I inquired if that was the 'VOR or TACAN runway 16R' or VOR/DME RNAV runway 16R' as his equipment suffix indicated he should be able to fly either. The pilot stated he requested the 'VOR DME runway 16R.' he then asked for clearance to several points, none of which were on the 'VOR/DME RNAV runway 16R' approach. After comparing the 2 charts, it became obvious that the pilot really wanted the 'VOR or TACAN runway 16R' approach. When questioned the pilot indicated that his commercial chart plates simply called the procedure the 'VOR runway 16R' approach, with no reference to 'TACAN.' this omission was the cause of some confusion, and might be problematically as more approachs became available. Even if TACAN is military only, privately published charts should use the same procedure name as the government charts we controllers use.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZFW CTLR AND E145 PLT BECOME INVOLVED IN A DISCUSSION AS TO WHAT TYPE APCH THE PLT IS REALLY REQUESTING.
Narrative: PLT WAS ASKED WHICH APCH HE WAS REQUESTING. HE RESPONDED 'VOR RWY 16R.' I INQUIRED IF THAT WAS THE 'VOR OR TACAN RWY 16R' OR VOR/DME RNAV RWY 16R' AS HIS EQUIP SUFFIX INDICATED HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO FLY EITHER. THE PLT STATED HE REQUESTED THE 'VOR DME RWY 16R.' HE THEN ASKED FOR CLRNC TO SEVERAL POINTS, NONE OF WHICH WERE ON THE 'VOR/DME RNAV RWY 16R' APCH. AFTER COMPARING THE 2 CHARTS, IT BECAME OBVIOUS THAT THE PLT REALLY WANTED THE 'VOR OR TACAN RWY 16R' APCH. WHEN QUESTIONED THE PLT INDICATED THAT HIS COMMERCIAL CHART PLATES SIMPLY CALLED THE PROC THE 'VOR RWY 16R' APCH, WITH NO REF TO 'TACAN.' THIS OMISSION WAS THE CAUSE OF SOME CONFUSION, AND MIGHT BE PROBLEMATICALLY AS MORE APCHS BECAME AVAILABLE. EVEN IF TACAN IS MIL ONLY, PRIVATELY PUBLISHED CHARTS SHOULD USE THE SAME PROC NAME AS THE GOV CHARTS WE CTLRS USE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.