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SF340 captain considered the phraseology used by approach controller during a visual approach to parallel runways as vague and inappropriate.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 513202 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200106 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | SF 340A |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 25l |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 25r |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 9800 flight time type : 3000 |
| ASRS Report | 513202 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Vectored to final runway 25L lax from sli. Socal (frequency 125.9) told to look for a B767 on a visual to runway 25R at lax. Called in sight. Socal told us to keep speed up to the field and direct quote 'pull up alongside, do not pass B767, cleared visual approach runway 25L.' my belief and pilot organization's is this is a clearance for formation flight without agreement between the SF340 on runway 25L and the B767 on runway 25R. Nonstandard terminology. Vague. Will not accept these clrncs as stated.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SF340 CAPT CONSIDERED THE PHRASEOLOGY USED BY APCH CTLR DURING A VISUAL APCH TO PARALLEL RWYS AS VAGUE AND INAPPROPRIATE.
Narrative: VECTORED TO FINAL RWY 25L LAX FROM SLI. SOCAL (FREQ 125.9) TOLD TO LOOK FOR A B767 ON A VISUAL TO RWY 25R AT LAX. CALLED IN SIGHT. SOCAL TOLD US TO KEEP SPD UP TO THE FIELD AND DIRECT QUOTE 'PULL UP ALONGSIDE, DO NOT PASS B767, CLRED VISUAL APCH RWY 25L.' MY BELIEF AND PLT ORGANIZATION'S IS THIS IS A CLRNC FOR FORMATION FLT WITHOUT AGREEMENT BTWN THE SF340 ON RWY 25L AND THE B767 ON RWY 25R. NONSTANDARD TERMINOLOGY. VAGUE. WILL NOT ACCEPT THESE CLRNCS AS STATED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.