<< >> NASA ASRS Report 510791, May 2001

Cleared to taxi to and to hold short of the departure runway the pilot finds that he was expected to also hold short of an intervening runway.

Attributes
ACN	510791
Time
Date	200105
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : mke.airport
State Reference	WI
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Challenger CL601
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 80 flight time total : 9800 flight time type : 2600
ASRS Report	510791
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 57 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 200
ASRS Report	510845
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance FAA Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

As I recall I was cleared by ground control to depart the FBO ramp and taxi sbound on taxiway 'east' to hold short of runway 31. As I was taxiing, the controller asked if I understood that I was to hold short of runway 7L/25R. My reply was that we were only told to hold short of runway 31. No further communications, relative to this issue ensued. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter said that when questioned by the controller they had already crossed the intervening runway. The runway was active, but there was no traffic for it at the time of the crossing. The clearance, as it was given, was clearance to the departure runway with no restrs other than to hold short of the departure runway. The reporter suggests that taxi clrncs be given only to the next hold point desired and not to the departure runway with restrs.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: CLRED TO TAXI TO AND TO HOLD SHORT OF THE DEP RWY THE PLT FINDS THAT HE WAS EXPECTED TO ALSO HOLD SHORT OF AN INTERVENING RWY.

Narrative: AS I RECALL I WAS CLRED BY GND CTL TO DEPART THE FBO RAMP AND TAXI SBOUND ON TXWY 'E' TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 31. AS I WAS TAXIING, THE CTLR ASKED IF I UNDERSTOOD THAT I WAS TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 7L/25R. MY REPLY WAS THAT WE WERE ONLY TOLD TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 31. NO FURTHER COMS, RELATIVE TO THIS ISSUE ENSUED. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR SAID THAT WHEN QUESTIONED BY THE CTLR THEY HAD ALREADY CROSSED THE INTERVENING RWY. THE RWY WAS ACTIVE, BUT THERE WAS NO TFC FOR IT AT THE TIME OF THE CROSSING. THE CLRNC, AS IT WAS GIVEN, WAS CLRNC TO THE DEP RWY WITH NO RESTRS OTHER THAN TO HOLD SHORT OF THE DEP RWY. THE RPTR SUGGESTS THAT TAXI CLRNCS BE GIVEN ONLY TO THE NEXT HOLD POINT DESIRED AND NOT TO THE DEP RWY WITH RESTRS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.